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Too Old to Get Hired?

By March 21, 2014

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How old is too old when it comes to getting hired? You might be surprised at what some employers consider old. In some cases, job seekers are in their fifties or sixties.

In other cases, they are even younger. Forty can be considered "old" when you're job searching. Here's what it's like for some job hunters, who shared their unemployment stories and age discrimination stories with us:

  • At my age, who is going to hire me? I have applied for over a thousand jobs in the last two years and once they review my employment history, it stops there.
  • Now at age 55 I am having a hard time getting an interview.
  • I have well over 25 years experience and probably forgot more than most college graduates will ever know. I have a hard time even getting an interview. I find my age (58) to be the biggest problem.
  • I have worked all my life since the age of 15.  I served my country during the Vietnam War, earned my Bachelor's Degree and two Master's degrees and I can't find work now.

Have you been discriminated against because of your age? If you have, we'd be interested in hearing your story. Here's how to share your age discrimination story.

What can job seekers do to combat age discrimination when they may be considered too old to get hired? It can be hard, but there are ways that you can focus your job search, update your resume, and target your cover letters. These job search tips for older workers will help you maximize your chance of finding a new job.

Video: Job Search Tips for Older Workers

Read More: Resume Tips for Older Job Seekers | Cover Letter Tips for Older Job Seekers | Interview Answers for Older Job Seekers | Age Related Questions Employers Should Not Ask

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Comments
June 24, 2010 at 12:52 pm
(1) dIANA says:

ITS TO BAD ALL THE PEOPLE WANT ARE YOUNGER PEOPLE ONES WITHOUT AND EXPERIENCE INSTEAD OF HIRING US BECAUSE OF OPUR AGE THAT DO.I HAVE HAD 3 JOBS TURNED DOWN BABISALLY BECAUSE OF MY AGE,THYETY TOLD ME IN SO MANY WORDS I WAS TO OLD FOR THEM.SO WHAT ARTE WE SUPPOSE TO DO?

July 4, 2011 at 4:48 pm
(2) Deb says:

Best of Luck to you Diana. If you aren’t computer savvy take a few free computer courses, which is what I did in 2002 and gained a wealth of knowledge and experience, now I am an expert in MS suites. Keep trying and never give up, the world is full of negative people like Kim. I have shielded people like her with keeping love in my heart and mind and never subscribing to negativity. Put the Job you want and need in the forefront of your mind and love on that job, feel it, think it, and want it so bad you can taste it and keep it positive you”ll have that job in no time…. what you put out you receive and Kim sadly you too!

July 4, 2011 at 9:29 pm
(3) Latigo says:

Nice response to Kim’s narrow mindset and discountable comments that only communicate discouragement.

Frankly, we all can do whatever we want to do with effort and dedication and belief in our skills. We can learn more when we’re older, start new ventures, and frankly outperform a lot of the younger folks who are still waiting around for a mentor instead of getting started doing something worthwhile. Why? Because we have gained wisdom.

I’ll give you a famous example in my family. My grandmother’s first cousin lived to almost 101, and after a lot of teaching successes worldwide, ( in China for 2+ decades) at the “old” age of 73, she started a worldwide literacy foundation in India that gained her world acclaim and an eventual short listing for the Presidential Medal award.

How did she do it? With determination and belief in herself and what she knew she could do. She was a personal friend of Gandhi’s among other world leaders and her image ended up on an Indian postage stamp that honored her after her death. She was responsible for teaching literacy to well over a million people in India, and her foundation is still ongoing today some 30 years after her passing. Could she have accomplished her dream today with the age discrimination that is everywhere? I don’t know for sure, but I’m sure she would have taken them all on. It was her style. She was a feisty lady and remains one of my personal heroes.

June 24, 2010 at 3:04 pm
(4) Kim says:

Ok, Diana, re-read what you typed… You may not have been discriminated for your age, but more for your lack of typing skills… And possibly grammar. And why did you do it in all caps??? Are you yelling at everyone?

July 4, 2011 at 4:42 pm
(5) DEB says:

Who are you to put her down about her post? You have no clue what this woman has been through. In this economy it seems that people would learn to help each other instead of always looking for something to attack someone about. She may not be computer savvy but do have pertinent skills elsewhere. America has become a place where the have’s just sit and downgrade what is not in their view a perfect job applicant, perfect skills, or simply a perfect person. Hope you never have to walk a mile in others shoes god forbid, you wouldn’t make it

July 4, 2011 at 9:14 pm
(6) Latigo says:

Kim,

That was really rude! Kids text that way all the time. Perhaps you are one of those lovely peple who do all the hiring? I’m older, and I decided that if no one wanted to hire me, ( or better yet, I didn’t want to work for them) I’d just start my own “thing” using the skills I have and know how to use. I now have worldwide clients and a lot of respect.

Frankly, I’d hire an older person in a minute. They know more, learn faster when they get some respect, and don’t have the attitude that the world owes them a job and/or a handout. Indeed, it’s the older folks who built this country and got it through most of its difficulties and will do so again.
That[‘s not to say that younger people aren’t intelligent and hard working. Many are, but they’re discriminated against in another way – a lousy public education system that’s getting lousier every day and a lot of preconceived indoctrination about older people not being worth much. Sad.

August 11, 2011 at 4:22 pm
(7) Jackie says:

Latigo,

I wish you would hire me. I’ve applied for over 1,000 jobs in two years. It is so frustrating! Yes, I’ve been interviewed several times and was not selected. There are 10 colleges where I live, so I am competing with job-hunting graduates also. One employer said they had over 500 people apply for one job opening.

June 24, 2010 at 3:09 pm
(8) NORMA says:

I have to agree w/ Diana. They give the jobs to people without experience and then those of us who are older are pushed to the side. We need to work as much as anyone else. Older people are more dependable than some younger folk, not all are that way, but the ones I’ve seen have been very irresponsible.

June 24, 2010 at 3:23 pm
(9) Norma says:

OK Kim: Maybe you should be more sensitive to others. There could be a reason for the way things were written by Diana. Isn’t there worse things going on in the world besides you ridiculing someone for their grammar or typing in caps. Get a real life and leave others alone when you have no idea of the circumstances. “Shame on YOU”

June 24, 2010 at 4:42 pm
(10) Barb says:

For the few interviews I have been able to get, potential employers are all ‘gung ho’ with my education and experience. Then when they see my face and see that I’m not a youngster, they dismiss me. You can see it in their faces when you walk into the room. But it isn’t only age discrimination we are facing, potential employers are treating people like crap — all people! They set appointment times and then make one wait for 30-45 minutes; they will ‘rush’ you through the interview or set up a ‘hostile’ interview. Some employers are very ‘dismissive’ and rude. They can be that way because there is a multitude of people applying for the same job. I have heard of employers not responding to your resume, but when it gets to the point of not responding at all to you when you’ve taken the time and the effort to come to their interview, that really is bad!! Ultimately, while I know there is ‘age discrimination’ out there and I have indeed experienced it, employers will take the cheapest labor they can get and that would explain why I see the same jobs popping up on job boards a couple of months after they are filled. Employers want to pay the least money for the most education and experience. Bottom line for the dummy employers: You get what you pay for!!

June 24, 2010 at 5:41 pm
(11) NORMA says:

Well put Barb.

June 25, 2010 at 5:37 pm
(12) Colin says:

I’m 47 and I’ve seen the age issue for several years in my profession. Programmers are all young, right? Once you hit 40 you can’t handle the “fast paced” work environment. My resume opens doors, but my bald head evokes snickers.

June 27, 2010 at 8:49 pm
(13) De says:

I think same Colins, the age issue depending on occupation. especially programmers

July 1, 2010 at 2:26 pm
(14) Al says:

I am a programmer and I agree with Colin. However, I am 38 and already see descrimination. I have a bald head too. I really like IT work, but the ageism sucks.

July 4, 2011 at 9:34 pm
(15) Latigo says:

Start your own business or consulting firm and run the idiots who are so narrow-minded about us smarter “older” folks right out of business. Then they’ll respect you whether they want to or not because you’ve beat them at their own game! And while you’re at it, hire some older folks. Go for it!

July 2, 2010 at 6:19 pm
(16) PJane says:

I am 56 & am experiencing age discrimination. It does not matter that I launched, owned and operated a private health and fitness business for 15 years. It does not matter that I have extensive client centered customer service skills, am diligent, dependable, am knowledgeable in all of the latest and greatest software. It does not matter that I am willing to be underemployed, just to have a job. It doesn’t matter that I look at least 15 years younger…what matters is that I am not & therefore, I do not get hired.
I was self employed, business suffered during this economy and I had to close it. I cannot collect unemployment & I have no income…that doesn’t matter. I am willing, able, and WANT to work — that doesn’t matter. What matters is I am 56 & that is sadly harshly judged in today’s job market. It’s a shame that so many talented, vibrant, worthwhile & tremendous people are being kicked to the curb simply because of their biological age. I’ve often wondered the chain of events that led someone to become homeless…I get it now, I’m living it.

July 14, 2010 at 3:23 pm
(17) Don says:

I have had the same problem at age 55. I am a college graduate with a good track record of acheiving results at a Fortune 500 company. I have had a few interviews but no offers. I have been looking for 2 years without success. I think it’s a combination of age and that people believe you will want too much money. I wish I knew the answer.

July 4, 2011 at 9:39 pm
(18) Latigo says:

What we need is an agency that works only with older people and pushes for them to get interviews AND jobs. And we need firms run by older folks who will hire older people, even prefer them. I do a lot of resume and cover letter consulting and believe it or not, these folks are getting somewhere. You have to have the right techniques. it is possible.

September 4, 2010 at 12:42 am
(19) Winnie says:

It’s a well known fact … our society DISCRIMINATES against people over 40 … young people can leave one job, and withing the next few month’s be offered up to 4 or 5 other jobs … when a person over 40 leaves a job … it may take them up to 3 years to get another job … there is a massive unemployment problem in our nation, but, young people 18-30 can get hired far quickly than us middle age people over 40 … us older people are more SERIOUS and more DEPENDABLE … but, our society doesn’t care …. it’s ashame, but, it is the TRUTH !!!!!

May 16, 2011 at 11:31 am
(20) Tamara says:

Explain to an employer that your variety of talents can effect their bottom line. What kind of a business would turn down the chance to make more money?

Downsized companies leave remaining staff to expand their job roles. The clerical person now does accounting, as well as HR and answering phones! One person can save money by doing the jobs of two or more people. Do YOU already have a variety of skills that can be utilized to save a company money?

With a world of experience you can become one of the company’s top performers, saving TIME and MONEY. SHOW how much money the company can save if they hire you instead of 2 or more people.

Ask what the company’s goals are and explain how you would help them achieve those goals. Tell good stories from both your past work and life experience to provide proof. It is easier to remember you by listening to your stories, than by reading your résumé.

Many older workers already receive benefits and married people may already share their spouse’s benefits. Those who do not need benefits means more profits for the company.

Job seekers are tired of looking for work and feeling rejected. They have worked their whole life, paid their dues and feel it is humiliating to have to “bargain” for a job or get taken advantage of. The working world has changed! Accept it and get back in the game, especially with SO much to offer.

Are you depressed, frustrated, bitter or insecure? An interviewer will not be excited about hiring you if they sense this kind of bad attitude no matter how qualified you may be. Employers can choose their ideal candidate from a large pool of qualified individuals.

Illustrate that it is in the best interest of the company to hire you. GOOD COMPANIES WANT GOOD PEOPLE. They need them to survive! A business can not generate revenue all by itself. Good employees are essential to a company‘s future success. A business depends on YOU. Become a smart investment and bring returns.

July 4, 2011 at 9:44 pm
(21) Latigo says:

Good pointers, but I’ll make one more. As an older applicant, you have to take the “age elephant” right out of the closet and set it on the interview desk – no age discrimination allowed – only judging me by my qualifications and experience. Sometimes drawing the line in the sand will make an employer wake up and smell the roses or least realize that they are playing a dangerous liability game. Once that point is clearly expressed, then you can talk some real business.

June 28, 2011 at 6:47 am
(22) Gena says:

I’m 50 and I’m pretty sure employers are considered me an old lady. I can’t get an interview regardless of how hard I try.

June 28, 2011 at 11:41 am
(23) DeeK says:

My husband (47 years old) went to a local office supply store, looking for something even part time, and was told they just didn’t have anything…but they hired our 19 year old neighbor the same week….

July 2, 2011 at 1:05 pm
(24) Gail says:

I am 47 and look at the most 37. I work out, I have a professional wardrobe, etc. I have a BS Degree, excellent experience in my field with major companies. But I can’t get an interview for a job in which I would underemployed. When I was in my 20′s and 30′s, I could find a job within a month. I have been substitute teaching. I don’t think going back to college is the answer. I think that once you hit 40 in the US, you are not going to have a job unless you own your own business.

I know doctor’s that are moving for jobs because they can’t afford to run their private practices. So some of this is just a sign of the recession. I only know of one family that isn’t suffering due to the recession. And I have a huge extended family.

The government needs to look into this discrimination. It is real.

July 4, 2011 at 11:42 am
(25) AB says:

It may vary from industry to industry, but hiring older workers is more the exception than the rule in IT. I’m 51, have been looking for two years, and have a couple of degrees.

I never had too much of a problem getting hired in my 20s and 30s without credentials. Businesses are receptive to bringing on people in their child-bearing years, or people who already have children to take care of. I think there is merit to this when the supply of jobs are short.

Most people I know who are my age and employed are basically working for the government, or businesses institutions that may as well be part of government. They don’t move around a lot. In fact, they have held their jobs a very long time.

The problem we are facing is not so much age discrimination itself, but age discrimination in the context of an anorexic economy that has slowly starved itself of domestic job opportunities for a long time.

Outsourcing and visa workers have really cut-into the need for domestically-grown workers. The slowed-down growth of American business has reduced opportunities and raised the entry requirements for both younger and older workers.

As a professional, you are expected to compete against world-class labor force, some of whom are the cream of the crop in nations with billions of people to choose from. There are many very capable people in the third world who live on dirt floors and eat things you wouldn’t want stuck to the bottom of your shoe. These people are just an education’s length away from gladly taking a job and a better life in the United States.

I wouldn’t fret because of your age. If things were better, we would all be working. The US economy has always been about supply and demand, and really nothing more. If these companies could afford to hire us, they would.

July 4, 2011 at 10:35 am
(26) Al G says:

To Tamara,

I like your answer and it is valid. However, many hiring managers seem not to be very interested in the value of a seasoned worker with good work ethics. I think it comes down to the bottom line (money). My take is they may see value of hiring an older worker but my think of them as being a added up front liabilty. He or she may ask for a higher starting salary, health issues or even a potential threat to their status quo.

I am an older worker (66) and have experianced the discrimination (both racial & age). I have a wide varity of work skills, IT, telecom, Military and managerial on the high tech side and have a degree. I get to the interview stage and this is where this phase ” we are looking for someone with the right fit” appears shows up. It goes down hill from there in most cases. My interview skills are good (I’ve been coached by professionals). I did find work but it was doing some of what Tamara suggested and some strong referrals to get the job.

So what is the answer? Short term: Perhaps taking the human element out of some of the interview process may help. Long term: Educate from childhood the the value of a person’s mind and skills without prejudice.

July 4, 2011 at 1:47 pm
(27) RC says:

I’m 59 and have been in real estate for the past ten yesrs, since I was part of a huge layoff from my former large employer (about 1/3 of employees were gone, including in HR and the receptionist). Since real estate came to a screeching halt in recent years my husband keeps telling me to go out and get a “real job” because my personal income became poverty-wage. Unfortunately, because of the double-whammy of high unemployment and me being close to retirement age (though I have no intention of retiring until I’m dead), I’m more less hireable now than I was in 2001 when I was layed off (which is why I decided to become self-employed as a licensed real estate agent and find my own work; no one would have me then at age 49).

And I must comment on dIANE at top: indeed, it’s important at any age to show that you are educated and attentive enough to proof-read what you write. It’s part of a potential written aptitude test an employer may require. Even commenting here, we should be our best in order to get our points across. I agree with dIANA and her sentiment; I also agree with Kim’s response to a certain degree.

I think employers who really can hire are looking for employees that may not be tempted to retire in a few years, after time and money spent training us for the position.

I have no answers.

July 6, 2011 at 1:21 am
(28) Over 50 with a BA says:

After being unemployed for almost 3 years and not getting 1 stinking interview a(fter applying for well over 1,000 jobs) I changed my game plan. I omitted my degree from the next online application I completed. I was hired for a PT $7.50 an hour job the next week.

July 9, 2011 at 10:00 pm
(29) David Stillwagon says:

At some point in the future companies will have to hire older folks because the country as a whole is getting older.

July 10, 2011 at 11:59 am
(30) Starr says:

What hasn’t been mentioned and what I’ve experienced is discrimination based on race. Most online applications ask if you are hispanic. A larger proportion of jobs are REQUIRING bilingual Spanish. They should just blatantly say, “I need to hire a mexican to fulfill affirmative action requirements.” Even jobs I know do not require bilingual Spanish interaction are stating this in the job listing.

August 30, 2011 at 10:30 am
(31) Jackie says:

My resume is listed on LinkedIn, Indeed and Monster.
The ONLY job hunting emails I get are for Sales positions. My background is Communications and I want to work in Media Relations, Public Relations or as a Communications Specialist.

October 28, 2011 at 10:11 pm
(32) jj says:

They higher younger because they are cheaper. They don’t care about qualifications or age would matter.

November 9, 2011 at 2:57 pm
(33) Linda says:

I was forced to leave a job in 2008 because I was told by the GM that I could not hire certain people. I refused, got a hold of HR, they would not help. My boss, made my life a living hell. I ended up leaving. I was denied unemployment. And I have not been able to get another job since. I am 59 years old, any suggestions?

January 2, 2012 at 9:30 pm
(34) Cecily says:

At age 60, I have been hired three times in the past year. The problem is, once I began these jobs, I found myself working with women in their 20′s, 30′s and 40′s who did not respect me or act professionally. I was fired once because I expressed that I would rather not listen to hip-hop rap while I was learning the job! Another time, I was told it was taking me too long to “get it”, when I still hadn’t even received any formal training. Nobody knows how to train any more. The last straw was when I was accused of “not knowing how to type” because I use the top row of keys instead of the keypad for numbers within text. I am tired of this crap. Mutual respect and communication have gone out the window. I’m done. Everything I do from now on will be freelance. The money’s not worth the headache.

January 3, 2012 at 6:01 pm
(35) Steve says:

One thing not mentioned is that the older employees cost a considerable amount to insure. My previous experience tells me that companies like to weed out the tenured or older personnel since they generally have higher wages and their benefits cost more. As a hiring manager I was always looking for someone with talent, but also for someone that would be highly productive. Companies don’t want to invest in seniors because they view seniors as shorter term and high risk.

I am almost 59 and I breeze through the phone interviews. After the face to face I get told that I was in the top 3. I have no doubt that my age is the issue.

And now, Congress wants to increase the age for social security, etc. Those guys should get out and talk to people in their 50′s and 60′s to get a dose of reality.

I am highly frustrated and not very optimistic.

January 17, 2012 at 5:47 pm
(36) Pj says:

I understand totally what Steve is saying. I, too, am 60 and have had the same phrase used on me. “Oh, you were in the top 2 but we decided to hire the other person because we think they were a better fit for the position.” Yes, it is very frustrating, especially living in an area where the jobless rate is climbing. If I do acquire a position it will be Only by God’s grace and nothing else.

February 29, 2012 at 3:16 pm
(37) Mark says:

I have been unemployed for over a year now. I am right in the mid-range age of 43. I used to manage restaurants and was an Executive Chef for Boeing in Seattle Washington. I have applied to jobs that I know I am qualified for and they either never call you back for an interview or they tell you now to go online to apply. One company I will mention who does a pre-screening questionnaire is Sears. I know for a fact that I have all the qualifications for the job, but if you don’t answer their questionnaire correctly your not even called in for an interview. I have now applied for over 10 positions with this company in the last year and keep getting the same response that they have better candidates for the position. I have now hired an attorney and am in the process of legal action against the discrimination factor with the their process of hiring. As a manager of different companies,I have been told by the owners to hire people based on different factors. From age to sex and from just their looks. I have quit those jobs and they have been reported to the Department of Labor and Industries. I have worked with young and old alike and some deserved jobs and some didn’t. I have always been a hard working and honest individual throughout my life and to be discriminated against now really irks me to no end. It is time that people start standing up to these companies and make them take responsibility for their actions. I am now looking into opening my own restaurant and I have started other businesses to make money to feed my family. Another ploy they use and is illegal is doing a credit check on you. They can legally do a background check but not a credit check on you. They are now using bad credit as an excuse for not hiring you.

March 19, 2012 at 12:59 pm
(38) plaAlaska says:

I am 58 and just lost my job. I feel lost because I do not have a college degree. I owned a business and have been a landlord for 30 years as being self employed. I had another job for the last 6 years but just lost that. I don’t know where to even start! I want to move to Seattle but I am afraid of the job possibilities for me at my age. I was wondering if trying to go to a training class for a certain career would be worth it at my age. Is there someone I can talk to about what my options are for my future? I am single and don’t have any help. My kids are grown now. I don’t plan to retire so I have to find something to do to support myself. I live in Alaska now and there are jobs here but I would like to move to a “more friendly” climate. Any suggestions? Thank you!

March 22, 2012 at 8:04 pm
(39) Russ Hansen says:

I have been unemployed for over 3 years now. I have my MBA, went back and got my PMP (Certified Project Manager) training, finished my ITIL certification, Got my Six Sigma Green Belt Certification, and also completed beginning and advanced Microsoft project Manager and Share Point Certifications. These certifications are supposedly hot. They did bring in phone calls and telephone interviews but the constant question came up

“When did you graduate from Graduate School, Undergrad, etc. I usually say that all transcripts and degree certifications will be presented should an offer be made.

Oh yes, I have read all of the books, resume tricks, networking books, done all of the things –networked my ass off, mailed out resumes to Presidents with a note attached and all marked up, “We should take a look at this guy Signed JT” ( well of course they will call, who the hell is JTI must guard my ass. They, them, who ever they are and who ever considers them knowledgeable, know this… it comes down to one things

COMPANIES DO NOT HIRE OLDER WORKERS.

So they say, start your on thing, use your years of experience…etc. etc. Well I have been involved in two start-ups. You need outside investors..cash flow… well..put you mortgaged house up as collateral, ya sure.. investment companies don’t invest in companies started by older workers..Do I know this as a fact…yes I can say that with some merit.

So here we are, highly educated, slowly sinking into poverty ( I am in a friends redecorate basement, without any funds now, car, etc.)

If I pulled together all of the anger felt by people like me who are older, well educated, think of the bloody revolution that would take place. When you starve someone out, it can happen. . Older people have nothing to lose but self respect and that is rapidly falling away from all of us as the U.S. work place permanently turns it’s back on us.

Maybe all they need to say is let them eat cake and it will happen.

March 29, 2012 at 10:24 am
(40) hehehaha says:

kim so rude u tink everyone same as u?? others i can understand u all n i am trying to help u all. i am a student n im going to help all elderly to get jobs

April 11, 2012 at 2:30 pm
(41) Hass says:

I am in my sixties, with vast experience in my field. I am also staying current by consulting to various companies. Recently I applied for a position with a large Silicon Valley company . The job is a great fit (in my opinion!!). After exchanging a few emails with the recruiter, I was asked my age. I provided that together with experience etc.. The reply was not something I had expected: “I am afraid you are not fit for Company “X” position, and I can not recommend you to them. Our client hope their candidates can be younger than 45 years old, high sixties years old is really too old”
Obviously the recruiter is working according to Company X instructions, which is not consistent with “Equal Employment Opportunity Act”.

Age discrimination is here to stay..WOW!!!

April 12, 2012 at 5:29 pm
(42) FeelYoung says:

I’m 56 and have experienced job age discrimination at the resume level. After two years, desperation and near bankruptcy set in. So, I changed the game plan, also, as some on this blog have. Went around and had perfect strangers guess my age. I then adjusted it downwards by ten years on applications where they do the “sneak” thing and ask you the year you graduated from high school and/or college. I don’t care if it’s a lie or not anymore. You do what you have to do to get a job. When or if they point out the 10 year gap, I just admit to a “typo.” Needless to say, I’ve finally gotten a job and so far they haven’t checked the age thing or if they have, it hasn’t been mentioned. My grandmother lied on her age in the 1940s on a job app as she looked ten years younger than she was. She worked for 35 years at the company. How sad it is that we have to resort to these things these days. But, if you have to, then you have to and I will continue to do it as long as I have to!!!!

April 15, 2012 at 12:57 pm
(43) frank lee says:

In the last 1 month, it’s been stated outright to me they prefer to hire young. 1st time was in an interview. The second time was a comment from a friend who passed my CV to a hiring manager. He said they like to hire young. I’m 40 yrs old! Makes me want to go to law school to personally attempt to change the hiring system.

April 17, 2012 at 4:12 pm
(44) Gary B says:

I have been unemployed since lay off in 2009! I have 35 years of solid business experience in all sized companies. My last position was 10 years complete with awards for my work and a very successful career.
Its not our fault our jobs went to India!
BUT IT IS MY FAULT THAT I AM 58!
I have got no replies other than standard rejections that seem automated anyway.
I am listed with agencies and get no calls even for temp work.
I have been trying for jobs just to make money in retail and restaurant and cant even get a reply for a local supermarket DELI!
I apply to jobs that I could have wrote for myself-all they could possibly need and ask for.
ITS AGE! PERIOD! SHORT AND NOT SO SWEET!
I have heard from associates in HR that they have been told “do not bring in anyone 50 or older or with a year unemployment”.
THEY DONT WANT US AND THATS WHY WE GET NO REPLIES.
Then we see articles saying follow up?
You cant even follow up on 3/4 of the jobs -” if interested THEY will call you” so dont bother us.
Follow ups being successful have gone the way of the “door to door foot search” that we used in the 70`s- EXTINCT.
There are search engines that can determine your age and you get nailed because you have to give graduation dates for high school or college.
I cant battle on much longer because the lack or response which basically are rejections are just not fair.
You know back about 20 years ago-guys with my gray hair and experience were valued and sought out.
But now when faced with desperation we cant even ask “if you want fries with that”.
My experience far outweighs the “job” and in those cases they think I will flee at first best offer-so overqualified and worried I will bolt keeps them from calling me too.
Now we are simply tossed into the “tar pits”.
Where do I turn now?

April 17, 2012 at 4:30 pm
(45) Gary B says:

Another thing to all you “internet snobs”.
Please excuse anyone for some grammar or spelling mistakes.
We are all typing emotionally and want to get this out so be assured that the same people you attack can easily handle what they need to in real life.
For you think CAPS are RUDE- TOUGH!
Its not anything personal-none of us know each other so nobody is screaming but we are HIGHLIGHTING certain frustrating points and just bringing extra attention to those exclamations.
So stop attacking and just listen for a change.
We that come here are under enough pressure and negativity already.
If you have nothing good to say-SAY NOTHING AT ALL.
Thanks

April 17, 2012 at 4:48 pm
(46) Gary B says:

I apologize for all the entries but its been 3 years out of work.
My next topic is JOB FAIRS.
Please dont get me started on those-ok go ahead.
These serve as nothing more than an even more age discrimination device.
I mean what better way to see in advance who you want?
The exact profile and they play the “handshake and next” game and thats all it is for us over 50.
I swear the last one looked like a bunch of dinosaurs circling the tar pits as far as the companies there with so called “open jobs”.
There were so many of us lets say 40 plus and some walked in and just walked out knoing the end result.
I gave out 30 resumes and why?
All they would say is “now go to our website” what was the point of “bringing your resume”?
But even worse was the look on these recruiters faces when they would look down the line and see aged after aged people trying to get work.
They were pretty much disinterested and not 1 would even say “you are a very good candidate and we would like to discuss the job with you”.
There was no feeling among anyone that those 3 hours were worth their time.
But ahhh we got to dress up and feel good about ourselves but when they saw us coming-THEY WERE NOT LISTENING.
So my last point is that in case anyone is wondering -yes I am 58 BUT also am in good shape-dress very well and up to date- speak well and very presentable-make a great impression and have no speech deficiencies.
No I dont color my hair and cringe at some of the poor fools that do so and come in with all kinds of weird colors and bad colorizing matches.
I am a natural say like Mark Harmon- so it looks “good on me”.
So what gives?
ITS MY AGE-PERIOD and yes I was shouting there at nobody in particular just at the space and situation.

April 18, 2012 at 5:41 pm
(47) Donna says:

I agree totally with Gary B. There is definitely job discrimination out there and there doesn’t seem to be anything to be done about it. I too have lied about the years that I completed my B.A. and M.S. I also graduated high school a year earlier so I look even older than I am on paper. I have been successful at getting contract work in IT and accounting although the contracts are not as long as I’d like….there was a period during 2009 and 2010 that I had to cover over on the resume…where there were just no jobs to even apply for. It looks a little better out there…my last contract ended at the end of March 2012 so I haven’t been out that long…yet. Even if you dye your hair….you can get through a phone interview but once they see you they are going to figure out that you are over 50. I’ve been told to capitalize on it…capitalize on the experience but I just think that this is all camouflage. I want a permanent, full-time job but I’ve been contracting since 2003. I get all kinds of emails from recruiters who have no idea what I do for a living. Many do not speak English….so I am trying to find some American recruiters and work with them. I. Companies just do not want to hire older workers….they want to hire cheaper workers who are in their 30s who have some skills. I have seen ads that say do not apply if you have more than 10 years experience. That is just another form of discrimination. I know of a lot of people who are suffering financially…they have no job, their homes are in foreclosure….and they are running out of hope! Some are suffering from health issues because of the stress and I think some of my health issues are a result of constantly being in job search mode. Most of the contractors I’ve worked with in the past 5 years are totally disgusted but I don’t think much will change. I

April 18, 2012 at 6:04 pm
(48) Tiffany says:

It’s happening with people not as old. I’m 28 years old, and i’ve been out of work since October 2010. I had a temp job for 3 months from September to December (assignment ended 2 weeks before christmas). I’ve been searching non stop ever since. I’m currently in school, I actually was in school before I started the temp job. I worked full time and went to school, but since I multi-task incredibly well, I had no problem juggling. But, now, I see more employers literally hiring people between the 18-21 age range with zero experience. I had applied to a position, and I was told that they gave the job to a 18 year old girl literally just finishing high school and had no work experience. And I’m healthcare (transcription, claims processing, claims examining). I’m on unemployment, I’ve modified my resume 100′s of times, to cater to certain positions. But, it’s like being almost 30 with 6 years experience with the same company, it’s like employers see “She’s too experienced, and cost too much money”, so they basically go with a hit-or-miss just to turn a profit. I feel people like us are in a gray area, and no where to turn.

April 20, 2012 at 8:21 am
(49) GARY B says:

To ANYONE that has X amount of time out of work-they discriminate against that too.
I just got off the phone with an agency recruiter-want to talk about uplifting Hallmark moments?
Here is what she told me.
Mr. Boyce you have some things that are just not wanted and 1 as you know these days the trend is towards the “less seasoned” worker. I said oh simple its the age discrimination thing! She said well lets just say that my clients give me a list of what they want and you dont fit their profile.
Well I cant even submit your resume to my clients impressive as it may be because you have done nothing for 3 years. We know its a bad economy and all that but you saying you have done odd jobs just to survive and make some money has taken you completely off the radar as a viable candidate. Again Mr Boyce these are not my rules rather those of my clients and sorry I could not submit your resume for these 3 months but I would be insulting anyone I would send them to and therefore insulting my agency. So you can understand my plight and what you need to do is go out and do some volunteer work at a not for profit and after maybe a year of that experience I may be able to send your resume out.
Why not be upfront and tell me what you really felt?
She said- well we are obligated to put the resume in the database but if nobody responds there is nothing we can do about that.
Then I said ok so lets play I do that volunteer for a year and then I send out my resume and now I am 59!
She just said- I understand your plight Mr Boyce but a bad economy and any “percieved” predjudices you think are out there are not “my problem”.
Then the nerve- please keep in touch and you know if I ever get some “oddball” request for someone that a company may need I will give you a call.
So now I am OLD- UNEMPLOYED and an ODDBALL! .Its time to latch on to the local traveling circus next time they hit town

April 21, 2012 at 3:56 pm
(50) Lena says:

I am 51 years old and frankly I do not wish to return to school. I have enough education and experience that I can do an honest days work yet I am always referred to some school. I went to Kaplan university for 2 years and was scammed out of my money. Now I owe thousands in tuition loans with no way to pay them off. My rent is currently over due by 11,000.00 and I will be homeless. All I want is a job yet when I apply I am always turned away and someone with less experience is hired. I have NOTHING, no income and no way to secure any. I can’t even apply for public assistance since I was told at an interview to just get a job. I feel like taking a gun and shooting up every place that turned me away.

April 21, 2012 at 5:55 pm
(51) GARY B says:

I hear you Lena.
Agencies and so called “trade schools” are the VULTURES of this bad economy!
It has made me want to go postal on people too because I am looking at people who have “jobs” and go and I cant even get that?
No I am 58 and white -too old- too vanilla and way too overqualified but what they dont know is I would kill for a deli job just slicin ham and cheese yakking with customers for 25 to 30 hours a week and be the best they ever had.
But they are not going to give me that chance and some of the losers I see there now just make me feel even more a loser myself.
I am now down to trying to get a deli clerk position in my local supermarkets and thats not even happening.
I mean come on world!
I got 4 kids a high rent and am in debt -I just NEED A JOB!
Truth be told – all hope is seemingly lost.
The embarrasment is obvious in my wife and kids faces at my inability to just get a job- “Dad just get a job we dont expect anything- just get something-anything to contribute”.
This at the man that pulled the bullwork and bread winning for the 31 years of marriage.
Talk about losing your pride!
This is the USA?

April 21, 2012 at 9:11 pm
(52) Michael says:

I’m 44 am I too to get hired?

April 22, 2012 at 11:05 am
(53) GARY B says:

I think this age discrimination era has lowered its starting age to 40 plus.
Im your 40`s you are up against it-but still possibly can overcome it-I mean unless I am wrong and if so God Help Us all!
But when you hit that un-magic 50 spot?
Thats the death knell and that “gurgling” sound you hear is the end of your once good career or job you held.
I think if you are 40 something and still look 30 something theres a shot.
But at 50 and you look 40 you are too old on 2 counts -the actual and your appearance looking only 10 years younger-GAME OVER.
The last guy that could cover a 20 year age difference and look good has passed on-Dick Clark.

April 24, 2012 at 10:38 am
(54) John W. Youngblood says:

I worked for Chryler in Fenton MO for 13 years until they closed both the minivan and Dodge Ram plants in 2009: they sent the vans to Canada, and the trucks to Mexico. To make a long story short, I then returned to school, finishing up my B.A. in (elementary) education. Graduated near top of class, aced the Praxis, got scores of recommendation letters, and after 1 /2 years, can’t even get an interview for a teaching position. Oh yeah: I’m also 51 years old, and a male. You can’t tell me there’s no age discrimination. Can I prove it? No- you can’t show evidence of a mindset. But the effort I put into receiving my degree, the results of those efforts, and the subsequent lack of even a SINGLE interview can only mean that I am either being denied even the chance of a position due to my age or gender. It’s very discouraging, and more than a little frustrating. Any suggestions?

April 24, 2012 at 12:59 pm
(55) GARY B says:

Hey John:
You are right on in your analysis of your problem.
ESPECIALLY in Education where the trend is always to the 30 or younger female teacher.
In education there is a huge bias against male teachers in the first place.
But you are not a minority?
Then you are equally dead.
I would say you are 30 years too old to even be seriously considered despite obvious credentials.
Exactly right-you cant prove a mindset but its blatant all over this country and everyone like us here knows it.
The ONLY chance one may have against age discrimination is if they are a MINORITY but even then you are still an OLD minority.

April 24, 2012 at 4:46 pm
(56) GARY B says:

John: On review what I wrote was not helpful as you had asked for.
If one thing perhaps you could find some kind of work teaching an adult education class if I read correct and you dont have any education experience?
Its tough because now you went and got the degree credentials but now the question is experience.
Also school districts are highly political and tough to crack without those connections.
Good luck and hopefully things work out.

April 26, 2012 at 7:49 am
(57) GARY B says:

I hate to bore people with my thoughts and posts but I am not trying to come off as Mr Know It All. I am just another guy drowning in this economy like all who come to this site. I think therefore I post hoping to elicit responses and either yays or nays.
But my question is:
Why isnt there someone here that can answer these questions people pose and to also comment about the comments?
Isnt there some “professional” here that could at least chime in and say “yes you are right or no you are overthinking”?
Someone to say – “yes you are all correct and I know this from HR professionals”?
Be honest-straight shoot and stop with the cliche standard-”you can do its” because I gotta tell ya-sometimes try hard as you do- you cant.
But people like to hear straight shooting truth to know – ITS NOT US-ITS THE ECONOMY AND THE AGE DISCRIMINATION.
Its like we are all just tossing comments out here into space and nobody is responding?

April 26, 2012 at 9:03 am
(58) Don says:

I just turned 60 and have been looking for a full time position for over two years. I have a BBA and over 30 years experience in my field. I see jobs every day that I can easily do but when I send resume I never get called.
I was employee of the year in two companies by being creative and
saving the companies money. I have lost three jobs due to outsourcing and closure. I have been told over and over that I am over qualifed for
some of the positions that I have applied for. My wife has a good job
and I have enough savings in the bank to get by without working but
it is a shame that someone who wants to work is being held back
by age. I have plenty of computer skills but that does not seem to matter
when you are being interviewed by someone 25 years your junior. Good luck everyone in this position.

April 26, 2012 at 10:59 am
(59) GARY B says:

To put it bluntly.

Age 50 or over?

Experience- 20 to 3 years?

SPAM
They never even see the resume its on
AUTO-DELETE

April 27, 2012 at 7:30 am
(60) B says:

Im really impressed at how candid and open all of you are.
I’m in my mid 50 ‘s and was getting interviews but no job offers.
One company had me in for three interviews ( 10 hours ) , asked me for all my marketing / selling strategies and gave the job away to someone half my age. That’s after they offered unlimited praise about how I was a fit. Ha!
My best career source for looking for a job has been LinkedIn.
You’d be surprised if you “scour” the network and friend as many people you know, people wil reach out. I’ve had several friends who are distant business acquaintances who reach out and put me in touch with a potential company.

I’m starting a new job soon because of LinkedIn !
Don’t give up!

Good luck to all of you- you have what it takes and stay forever young in spirit!

April 27, 2012 at 7:46 am
(61) Alison Doyle, Job Search Guide says:

Congrats on the new job, B!

LinkedIn is definitely a good source of networking leads and job listings. Who you know can make all the difference in the world and can help mitigate some of the age issues, because you are being recommended to the prospective employer.

Alison

May 2, 2012 at 2:11 pm
(62) Jonathan says:

I was a 39 year old commercial banker with one of the twenty largest banks in the U.S. when the recession hit. I was making in the low $100k’s when I got laid off with almost no severance pay to speak of. I also had 15 years experience under my belt and numerous industry contacts. It took me 2 and a half years to find another full time job with benefits and it wasn’t in the banking industry. It took me two years of trying but it finally dawned on me that outside of maybe working as a self-employed bank consultant for 1/3 of what I used to make with no benefits I would probably never work in the banking industry again. When I finally did find a full time job it was only after I took some accounting courses at my local community college and listed on my resume that I was a new accounting graduate about to sit for the CPA. It wasn’t exactly lying but it also wasn’t exactly true.

May 4, 2012 at 7:01 pm
(63) Darlene says:

Laid off from major corporation on 2007 (LEAN) and still unable to secure a full-time job. It is a hard pill to swalow to realize that no one wants you. Your skill set knowledge is just not wanted. All I was finally able to secure is aposition in a Call center ONLY 25 hours a week, making less that I did back in 1978. Have to work, but I hagte going to work every day. I am so ashamed of what Big Business has done to this country and that we allowd it to happen.

May 7, 2012 at 8:44 am
(64) GARY B says:

I hear you on the shame point. The best I could do in these 3 years now is my current job as a fill in part time SECURITY GUARD!
This from a guy with 30 plus years experience at time of layoff in 2009 and not getting any interviews etc and had been making $60K a year in the end.
Last year I grossed about $25K with a few odd jobs and the way its going now we do even less this year.
ITS ALL I CAN GET- I couldnt even get a deli clerk job at local supermarket and I had a connection in management there too!
Talk about feeling down and low.
ITS AGE AND EXPERIENCE being played against me after being told all those years of building a solid background and resume that “age and experience” are what business is seeking.
Nooooooooooooooottttttttttttttttt anymore!

May 7, 2012 at 4:46 pm
(65) Diana T says:

It is touching to read most of your comments. I want to become a teacher at the age of 45 but after reading the comments, I feel scared that my decision may not lead me towards a job.

May 14, 2012 at 10:36 pm
(66) Walter says:

I’ve had 3 different careers in my life, working as a window cleaner then as a machinist. After several knee and back injuries I retrained and spent the last 15 years as a network administrator. I was laid off 6 months ago, and since then have only had 2 temporary gigs that paid less than my entry level salary 15 years ago. I just took on a second mortgage last week to consolidate all the debt I accumulated by taking expensive courses. I’ve had interviews, but it’s obvious that my age, 54, is working against me. I find it frustrating that I’m being interviewed by recruiters that can’t even spell “MCSE” correctly and then have the audacity to tell me I’m “not qualified”.

I bought a new bucket and squeegees yesterday, and will now be pounding the pavement looking for window cleaning contracts. It paid better 30 years ago than IT does today. I just hope my back holds out.

May 16, 2012 at 2:30 am
(67) Steve says:

Getting the same sort of response from interviewers as others on this thread. Over 19 years continuous employment, good references, laid off due to restructuring. In my interviews for prospective new jobs – they indicated concerns that I would be bored, wage concerns, overqualified, ‘not quite the right fit’ – just about heard it all – I was advised by my employment counsellor the possibility of these attitudes beforehand though. Guess to keep on trying and maybe take some classes. I’m in my mid 40s and this is already starting; interesting times ahead…stay positive everyone!!

May 16, 2012 at 2:35 am
(68) RAY says:

I am in the same boat as many or most of you whom have posted over the last few days, months and years. Had an interview yesterday. Once again, someone old enough to be my son, shows up – LATE – too I might add with no apology (30+ minutes). No friendly introduction, no etiquette whatsoever. I could tell that the interview was over when it started.

The emphasis upon: young, youth, students. Was that a hint? And oh yeah: ‘punctuality’. I nearly laughed out loud when I heard that. But the sad part, this young person had no people skills. Could not have cared less about my many years of experience. I timed the interview at between 3 and 4 minutes.

I had a similar experience about 6 years ago, with another HR person much younger than myself. Late for the interview and was running around the office asking me questions. I practically had wished I could spin my head around 360 degrees (picture Reagan’s abilities from the Exorcist). Completely unprofessional, flippant and the clincher when asked me a question about previous experience: ‘that was … OH SO before my time!’ with a waving hand gesture and an almost Valley Girl like affect. That interview was less than 10 minutes. I couldn’t believe I just witnessed what I just experienced.

*sigh*

Anyways, good luck to everyone. I think we should all pool our resources and perhaps start up our own Employment Agency that is more geared to the 40+ crowd. I have nothing against youth as I was young too once, but there’s plenty to say about LIFE EXPERIENCES and WISDOM. My rant for today. All the best to you experienced and valuable ‘older’ folks out there. United.

May 18, 2012 at 2:03 am
(69) Susanna says:

I’m a 55-year-old woman in Portland, Oregon and I was laid off a little over a year ago due to outsourcing. I look for work nearly every day. I have years of experience and I’ve been applying for jobs paying less than half of what I was making. I’m not young and decorative anymore and I’ve run smack into age discrimination, but there is no way I can prove it. I know I’m not imagining things. My contemporaries are running into the same situation. I’ve tried to get into retraining courses at the local community colleges, but there are waiting lists with lottery picks. The closest I’ve come is making it to the short list, but I was not selected for that course. I’ve actually had people ask me why I don’t retire. Don’t they think I would if I could? From what I’ve observed, people just don’t have a clue and, frankly, don’t want to know unless this terrible situation touches their lives personally. I keep hearing how the employment market is improving, but no one’s talking about how many people no longer qualify for unemployment benefits. The wonderful new jobs I keep hearing about are minimum wage, which only works if one has a relative’s sofa to sleep on. I am desperate. There aren’t many steps left before homelessness and our government and corporate America could care less. They’d be just as happy if people like me would crawl off somewhere and disappear.

May 19, 2012 at 8:34 am
(70) GARY B says:

I hear you Susanna.
I was 55 when I was laid off 3 years ago and ran right smack into your same dliemma-not sure if you do but I have wife and 3 kids at home(1 thank God a teacher in Buffalo or it would be 4!).
But everything you say and thinbk is EXACT-You can look at my prior comments.
Its the SILENT DISCRIMINATION that gets NO PRESS-NO HELP and WONT be tracked.
Those that fall off the unemployment rolls are the ONLY reason for fudging the figures to show success for Obama for his reelection attempt.
I tried retirement too but the office said “sorry but you have 4 years to wait” so that is NOW MY GOAL.
To somehow scrape -fight-claw for a few hours of security guard work because nobody WANTS ME- NO RETIAL-GROCERY and most of all what I had done so well in for 38 plus years-CORPORATE BUSINESS!
Good luck and God Bless and remember this in NOVEMBER!

May 24, 2012 at 2:08 pm
(71) Bjorge says:

Now 48, employed but not happy there. Guess I should consider myself lucky. Anyway, talked to a former coworker, about 25 yrs. old. He got a job at a cement plant, good pay, etc. Said I should try to get on there as they needed 9 more people. Nice kid but no wheels, drug history, rapsheet as long as his arm, and lets face it – I did work with the guy and he is a moron. Oh Yeah, convicted for theft from his last employer. Well he was hired on the spot. Me, I applied, spoke with the boss breifly, and that’s that.I apply for these kind of jobs all the time and get the same result. I know I’m no spring chicken but I aint lame either. Still running circles around half the people at whatever job I get. So the discrimination is obvious. I know I should’nt bitch since I am currently working. I just wanted to throw in that example.

May 24, 2012 at 9:26 pm
(72) Duddly says:

54 and wishing I could work. Most would think that having a mechanic background, and this being Heavy Trucks and Automobiles, I could find work anywhere. Yes, you would think so but, after applying at two different fortune 500 companies and getting to the point of drug testing and the interview process too, still nothing. Has to be my age, and I must admit after two interviews with the first company I really thought this might go somewhere?? Yes, I enjoy this line of work, I stay busy just assisting my son in heavy repairs but not making any money for myself with him. I have a lot to offer but, if they would only give me a chance. I don’t think things are very good in this economy right now and that’s the saddest part, I think it’s going to get worse I’m afraid.

May 26, 2012 at 3:34 pm
(73) kam says:

For John W. Youngblood # 54 – I am sooo sad to tell you that you got ‘sucked’ into a college program (education) at a time that jobs were already being ELIMINATED (except for the college professors of the Education Dept., due to the college’s/university’s advertising program!) And NOW there are even more layoffs & job eliminations. There SHOULD NOT be one single advertisement for ANYONE to enter a ‘teaching program’!!! There are NO jobs (other than getting on a lonnng list of substitute teachers) for the young, recent graduates AND the qualified, experienced seniors!

AND “for God’s sake” Diana T #65 DON’T go down that road! IF ever you finally got a teaching job, it’ll be with 100% inner city children WHOSE lower achievement will be entirely blamed on you–their teacher. . . and you’ll be working more hours than if you had a class of mixed economical background students. BUT IF you learn what John W. Youngblood # 54 is learning – you will be poorer and/or in debt (and feel even worse than you do now!)

May 26, 2012 at 8:14 pm
(74) @you says:

Great! another misconception. I don’t know what any of you are talking about. It’s just as difficult to get a job being young, in fact more difficult. Here’s why, being young has a curse attached to it. When you’re young, you’re inexperienced. Jobs are looking for experienced people. They aren’t willing to train possible candidates anymore. Then there’s the stereotypes, we are lazy and unprofessional. Not, mature enough. People in there 30s and 40s tend to get hired for good jobs over people above and below these ages. So no jobs aren’t looking for 20 somethings either. Unless, you’re trying to work at burger king. Yeah, because all young people aren’t good enough for better jobs

May 27, 2012 at 2:00 pm
(75) rmf says:

hi, i’m 47 and only have a high school diploma. was in the navy form 19 to 23 and never went to college. have had many jobs over the years but never did find a career. i live on 1000 dollars a month. i never was married or had kids and never was wild. i’m glad i’m getting older. just never really was interested enough in anything to go to school and get degree’s and i really only matured in the past few years. i have no regrets this is the way it is and if i’m lucky i only have to put up with 30 more years. as jim morrison said no one here gets out alive. p.s. not depressed just realistic.

May 28, 2012 at 1:19 am
(76) Laura says:

Thank you everyone for providing me a much-needed wake-up call!
I am a 49 year old nurse that has worked at the same facility for 27 years. Recently I was informed that, due to a change in ownership of my department, my position was “no longer needed”.
I never saw it coming!
Since then, I have applied for other positions within the hospital but was lamenting the fact that I would need to return to running infinitely long hallways working nights, weekends and holidays at a lower pay rate… What a spoiled brat I have been! After reading about the difficulties you have experienced, I’m no longer feeling sorry for myself, but am thankful that I am being offered the opportunity to HAVE a job! You have given me new perspective, and I thank you! Good luck to you all!

May 29, 2012 at 9:04 pm
(77) george says:

You can take all the “improve me classes” you want but at the end of the day you are just not going to get hired. I’m and insurance exec with 30 years of experience and would love to run an insurance operation. Having won every mgt award in sight it still does not matter.
With an MBA I am going to junior college to be a EMT and then ParaMed.
In medicine they appreciate experience. This is the dammdest time of my life.

May 30, 2012 at 8:14 am
(78) GARY B says:

To anyone complaining about the younger peoples issues with getting jobs too.
You do have one thing going for you versus us 50 somethings and above.
You got time while our time has run out.
When the hourglass runs out you cant turn it over and start again.

May 30, 2012 at 7:09 pm
(79) pwp says:

I must agree that Dianna’s post was either a joke or an example why she is having problems.

May 30, 2012 at 7:18 pm
(80) pwp says:

Gary B. your comment is correct. I am an attorney who has decided to go back to school to become an RN.

I am lucky enough to have free tuition because my wife works at the community college. It will take two years but I will be remade and prepared for a field that DOES respect age and experience and has real potential for hiring.

May 31, 2012 at 7:49 am
(81) Clay says:

Something that has helped me as I have gotten older is personality. When I was in my 30′s I saw certain patterns of personality pursuasions that gave people and “in” at certain jobs. Now I am not a “cute” guy and have never been able to rely on my looks to get through life. However, I did spend ten years learning body language, nlp, humor, and voice projections. These have helped me enormously in life. If you saw me you’d think I was just and average, 40′s, white, bald guy.(I don’t even have eyebrows.) But this hasn’t stopped me in the work world nor in the dating world.
Because of this I have devoted most of my free time to understanding social dynamics and people. I have also used humor to boost my writing skills.

May 31, 2012 at 5:16 pm
(82) Bob says:

It seems too much experience and education are almost a curse to older unemployed individuals. In 2009 at the age of 59 I lost my job of five years as vice president of a large real estate investment firm. Prior to that I worked my way up over the course of 21 years to become CEO of a mid size engineering and constructrion firm before moving on to what I thought was a better opportunity. My computer skills are current and spot on with most employer’s expectations. Coupled with a verifiable track record of business successes and multiple graduate degrees, I can’t buy a job. Needing the work or not, I sincerely want to work and have applied for positions for which I know I am qualified and well suited. I have as well, applied for jobs where I am over qualified but would gladly accept. Not a single call or interview. My wife swears I don’t have a black ball painted on my back. Now 62, I can at least draw social security.

May 31, 2012 at 7:08 pm
(83) sme says:

I want to thank all posters for your comments and your ability to express your frustration in these trying times. We all have such personal stories and yet we are bonded by the same emotions. I too have struggles with the emotional roller coaster of being ripped out of society by losing long term employment. I have worked full time since the age of seventeen and it is a rude awakening at the age of 58 to realize that I am old, like waking from a horrible dream that is all too real. I want to write a few positive messages to encourage you and I want to share what keeps me going . . .

It may not be age discrimination after all, as one HR professional wrote: “We won’t consider hiring the laid-off worker, they are damaged goods.” I feel that eventually this will benefit us because there will come a time, and I believe it is sooner than you think, that businesses will a wake-up to the fact that the current workforce is lacking accountability, loyalty, experience, maturity, and time management skills.

Fact: The average worker only stays in a job for less than two years. Businesses have to constantly pay for hiring services and retraining. Another wake-up calls for businesses. If they hired the ‘right fit’ experienced employee with an outstanding work ethic, it would cut costs considerably.

-select your thoughts-
It is so easy to slide into negative thinking. I found a mind exercise to stop negative thinking. When you have a negative thought, slowly breath in deeply through your nostrils and slowly breath out through you mouth for five repetitions. Feel calm? Yawning even? And the negative thought is gone! Try it! It takes discipline and determination but us elders are experts at these skills.
[Continued]

May 31, 2012 at 7:12 pm
(84) sme says:

[Continued]
Fact: Elder employees make fewer erroneous errors, have the ability of quality control diligence, and are efficiency conscience. This is another wake up call for businesses that we will benefit from.

-ruin is the road to transformation
Now is the time for you to invest in self improvement. Concentrate on personal growth and awakening. Constantly searching for employment and dealing with unresponsive or negative feedback and rejection is very damaging to your spirit. Lighten your mind load. Take a walk in nature. Make someone giggle. Visit your local library and escape. Give yourself a break.

Myth: Elder applicants don’t have the appropriate skills
If I read one more time that elders do not have technical skills, I will scream from the highest mountain. And yes, we elders can climb mountains. How do these businesses think we survived for years and years in the work force without skills? Have we all been in a coma over our careers doing nothing? NO! We worked and slaved over our jobs as if we owned the company we worked for. And we had to constantly keep up with technology while we ran the world. Wow. We are awesome!

-rejected or ignored again-
I only say one thing to myself when this happens,
‘poor them, their loss, they don’t deserve me’

-everything is temporary – Keep on Keeping on -
If you can share how you are coping in a positive way, please please please share, I am cheering each and every one of you on. Keep on keeping on.

June 1, 2012 at 9:16 am
(85) still looking in MKE says:

I felt pretty much alone in my quest. I have the skills, my resume is on almost all the job sites but no action. I too have had interviews and it surprised me to hear some of the same comments I received listed.
I didn’t want to believe age discrimination was rampant perhaps because I really need a job. I am 56 years old and am feeling the rejection my age brings. It makes you doubt yourself and wonder what’s the problem? If anything, all your comments are comforting to know I am not alone and others are being pushed out just as I am and that there is nothing wrong with me except my age.
I guess I will have to resort to lying and see how far that will get me.

June 1, 2012 at 11:08 am
(86) FloQua says:

I leave in Switzerland. After 45 years-old it is very difficult to find a job, even to get an interview as here, we still need to put our personnal informations on the resume. As soon as the recruter read the year of birth he/she can throw our resume away without reading more !

June 4, 2012 at 8:24 am
(87) GARY B says:

Here is a recap of where I am at.
A once award winning employee who helped make hundreds of thousands for a major electronics Corp in Sales Support-that was so valued and thought of only 3 years ago?
Cant even get into a supermarket deli position to slice roast beef!
I have resigned myself to “thats what it is and shall remain” and my attitude is to accept that fate and say goodbye to the Corporate career and goals I once had.
I mean after all I had that at 55 so now at 58?
Its over and my attitude is good bye and it was real and you know what?
You dont want me? I dont want you and have stopped wasting my expense of sending out all those resumes and my time thinking about “why” and being bitter.
I accept it and now just hope to remain healthy and scrape by as best I can to get to age 62.

June 4, 2012 at 9:35 pm
(88) Pete says:

Man up, stop being weak, make it happen!

June 5, 2012 at 3:00 am
(89) Anthony says:

I have done all they said I should do but,

that 26 yr old HR person doesn’t understand my CV
my education is too high to qualify for most jobs

I built a LI profile
networked
sent out 300 Cvs
did my coverletter research
made a webpage
sent free research to companies
watched motivational video
read self-development books

I hate you all.

June 5, 2012 at 10:51 am
(90) Anne G says:

I have read all of your stories.. and it just makes me so depressed thinking about my future. I am 33 years old and have worked a string of low-paying office jobs for the past 10 years. I had the chance to go to college when I was 18 but chose not to go. Now I am taking classes at a community college, but I am wondering if going on for the bachelor’s degree will be a waste of time. At the rate I am going, I will be about 39 when I finish, which only gives me a year to find a job before I hit the wall and lose out because of age discrimination. Maybe I have a chance because I look young, right now most people say I look about 25. I wanted to get my degree from a prestigious college in the area- US News ranks it #1 in the South.. but even that might not help me.

June 5, 2012 at 10:57 am
(91) Anne G says:

Also, I was thinking about leaving college and going to a vocational school to learn Medical Assisting. It’s supposed to be one of the fastest-growing careers, and I do want to help people. Problem is, in my area, the pay is only $8 or $9 an hour. With three or more years of experience, you can make $11. I think that’s pathetic. Also, I have a strike against me already for being white and non-Hispanic. Because all of the job ads, for any job in a medical office, say “Bilingual Spanish REQUIRED” which means they would not even call me for an interview.

June 5, 2012 at 12:39 pm
(92) GARYB says:

Hey Pete:
You dont get it with your “man up make it happen” comment.
Yet I understand why you may have said it.
I have accepted things and am fine with it and more content and happy than if I were in a Corporate job again!
I have some friends that “scored” jobs at same age and are being treated like dirt by younger and more aggressive employees and are miserable.
I will take my lower wage from security work and know I can sleep at night and have no stress coming after me- sure way less money but as my wife says-Its something and for 38 plus years you stressed yourself out and did your job for the family.
Its time to not worry about having to make $30-$40-$40K plus anymore because its not happening and once you come to that realization you are better off mentally and physically if you can deal with that.
The new corporate world has changed age is not welcome or wanted and if you slip in as a desperate temp-you get torn to shreds and your dignity is gone!
I have my dignity and sanity back after a 3 year ordeal of trying to get back to where I was or thought I should be.
I am content-happy and the bitterness is gone and I will survive and get to the next stage of my life with a still happy marriage of 31 years looking forward to another 30.
THATS EXACTLY WHAT MY REAL PRIORITIES SHOULD BE ANYWAY.

June 5, 2012 at 6:00 pm
(93) VENKATARAMANA BUDITI says:

I came back to INDIA in Oct, 2011 from USA due to my mother sick, has stay in India becoz of my mother, looking for job since 8 moths in India, I am 46 yrs now, not getting job anywhere, I am into SALES, looks young, hard working. Trying for job all over from all Job Portals, but not getting shortlisted at all. I enquired from a few job consultants, they say that becoz of age, I am not getting job. I don’t knw what to do, no job last 8 months, I am very frustated now. I really need help. Thank you. VENKAT

June 6, 2012 at 1:46 am
(94) aav amphibs says:

I see alot of unshaven, unmanicured individuals walking about. Ever hear of that expression, if you act like an old man, you get treated like an old man? Get a haircut, get a shave, clip the hair out of your nostrils, cut those fingernails. Pay attention to your physique. Ok, dye your hair if you want to keep it long. You know, watch what you eat, try to keep trim. Pay attention to your rotten teeth. Hey, I’m not saying younger kids look any better. How about those kids walking around with the pants dropped to their knees? They never will experience the jobs and careers most of you ever had. And above all, I know its tough but try to keep your self esteem.

June 13, 2012 at 12:43 am
(95) Susan says:

It’s a strange economic world we are facing. The tides have swept a lot of us who are 60 and over into an unemployable abyss, as though we are being put to pasture. We have so much to give. We have been down many roads to get to where we are today. Yet, fall into this pit of “now-what-do-I-do”? I started cleaning homes, and rental move-outs 3 years ago. Since the job market is so intensely competitive, I feel like, “why even try”. I am 60 and know that I can not continue to clean basically because of my physical condition. My knees are in pretty bad shape.

Before I started cleaning I was in a horse riding accident where I was in a wheel chair for 7 months, 3 months on crutches and had to do my own physical therapy. I am not stating this for pitty, either. It just changed everything in my life.

I was a legal assistant for 7 years, 7 years as an Administrative Assistant for a major corporation, and an Office Manage for 5 years in California. You would think that with that kind of background I would actually be a great prospect for any office position.

So here I am writing a blog about where I sit today, fully aware of the fact that if I can retire at 62 I will only be looking at $725, or if I retire at 65 I will get $965. This was never what I planned on doing in my life, yet, here I am. I don’t know what I am going to do. I don’t know what I CAN do.

I AM AT A LOSS.

June 18, 2012 at 9:57 pm
(96) bobsan says:

America has always been a youth obsessed culture. To grow old in this country is to assume the powers of invisibility. If you can’t see the problem then it does not exist. So what are we the old to do? Be seen and heard, vote to affect change. Don’t keep voting for people that want to hurt the middle class, a strong middle class is essential to american culture. It is the few that control the thoughts of elected officials through lobbying and campaign funding for their own selfish interests that are tearing the fabric of this country apart. Business needs to be regulated, taxes need to be simple, caps on certain taxes need to be bumped up so that the welfare of our nation and people are insured. Lower the retirement age to 55, make outsourcing american jobs expensive, and provide opportunity to the youth of this country, instead of concentrating wealth in the hands of the few.

June 20, 2012 at 7:26 pm
(97) Lin says:

I was laid off after a 22 year job. Also, divorced at the same time and am 52. Been unemployed for 3 years. I’ve only been able to work temp jobs on and off for one company only because the CEO of the company recommended me to this company and they use a temp agency to hire. Besides that, I had another month long assignment with a major telecommunications company thru another temp agency. The recruiter did not know how old I was when we talked on the phone and was very impressed with me and my experience and was trying to sell the job to me as a permanent job and liked the way I talked, etc. I am a receptionist/office manager. Well, an hour later she caled back and tells me ” you know it’s just a temp job right? Then while I’m there they have nerve to be interviewng young people all under 30. I trained myself basically and put in unpaid extra hours then they have the nerve to ask me i I will be training the new permanent person! What is with people.

June 25, 2012 at 1:43 pm
(98) BCKari says:

Interesting comments from everyone, and here is my two cents: I am a former Human Resources Manager. I even ran an employment service for about fifteen years. On my last job interview, the person that interviewed me, stared me in the face, and called me an “Oldtimer.” I am NOT an “Oldtimer.” I THINK the freak was trying to get a reaction out of me (lucky he didn’t). Age discrimination is rampant. It’s a fact. I may be 57, but I can still lift 100 pounds without a problem, run a mile in under five and a half minutes, and young girls still look twice when I walk around. But because of my “age” I can’t find a job in my field. Okay, that was the negative part.
The positive part: Keep trying, attitude is everything. The problem I see with us “older” types (the clock ticks for everybody) is we seem to think we deserve something from our experience. Well, we do, but it really is not reasonable to expect someone that LACKS that experience to embrace it. When I have been in a position to hire people, I preferred “older,” however, there was a sub-group that seemed to have a chip on their shoulder that came across as counter-productive. I see it in myself, sometimes, when I’m not paying attention. My best advice from my own professional experience is, embrace what is new, it is necessary now to “network” to find work, what used to seem to come easily doesn’t work that way right now, because the labor supply (white collar or blue collar) exceeds the demand for positions available. Just because it’s harder right now, doesn’t mean you should stop trying. The nice thing about challenges is….well, it’s challenging. Keep trying, you’ll find something.

June 27, 2012 at 10:00 am
(99) Dawn says:

Hello there. Thought I would throw in my issue. I am 55 and working the same seasonal office manager job for 7 years now. My position is secure, but I do get laid off every winter, at which time I can collect unemployment benefits to keep us going. My problem is with my 57 year old husband. He is in biopharmacuiticals and was “fired” in October of 2011 (for allowing a mold to get into the lab, even though it wasn’t his fault, I think it was an excuse). They have let him collect unemployment benefits (thank God), but that will be coming to an end soon. He has tried to start his own business, but it was service related and in this economy, such services go by the wayside and the business fell flat. He’s applying and looking for biotech jobs, but his self esteem is in the toilet and is convinced that nobody is going to hire him based on 1) his age and 2) what happened at his last job. The company was financially in HUGE trouble and people were jumping off like rats on a sinking ship. I’m at a loss. We have 3 more years on our mortgage so the light is at the end of the tunnell (and it’s not a train…hopefully). Where do we go from here? Is this the end of his working career? Social Security won’t kick in for 5 more year and then we’re looking at a whopping $1300 a month! Is this it? Is this all there is? I need some encouraging words :-)

June 28, 2012 at 9:04 pm
(100) Chrissy says:

I am a 52 year old human resources executive and am unemployable. I get a lot of interviews, have Fortune 500 experience and SPHR certification. I look at least 10 years younger but it seems even age 40 is considered washed up these days. My husband has a great job, however we are dipping into savings to stay afloat. We still have a child at home that attends college. I have interviewed with over 10 companies in person in the past 5 mons. The interviews all went great but ultimately 30 somethings were selected for the jobs (found this out via Linked In searches). I am at a total loss of what to do to get hired in this economy. I am willing to take a large pay cut, but that does not seem to make a difference. Was told by recruiter that two different companies I wanted to be considered by would not consider applicants with more than 10 years experience! These were 6 figure jobs!

June 29, 2012 at 8:00 am
(101) GARYB says:

Sorry BUT you have the 2 major things going against you!
AGE & EXPERIENCE!
Plus if you think that offering to lower your salary requirements looks or sounds good? Nope thats just viewed as “old person who is desperate”.
The very things once thought to be so valuable are now our own death traps.
You being from HR should know all the “ins and outs” of whats going on as I have spoke with many HR people I know and its like its not even a problem to them when they say you are too old or too experienced.
To them and this business world there is no discrimination.
Its the reality out there-not just being a downer.
Old at 40? Try 58!

June 29, 2012 at 8:00 am
(102) GARYB says:

Sorry BUT you have the 2 major things going against you!
AGE & EXPERIENCE!
Plus if you think that offering to lower your salary requirements looks or sounds good? Nope thats just viewed as “old person who is desperate”.
The very things once thought to be so valuable are now our own death traps.
You being from HR should know all the “ins and outs” of whats going on as I have spoke with many HR people I know and its like its not even a problem to them when they say you are too old or too experienced.
To them and this business world there is no discrimination.
Its the reality out there-not just being a downer.
Old at 40? Try 58!

June 29, 2012 at 12:57 pm
(103) Sam says:

I was laid-off from my middle-manager, corporate position a few years back. I’m 52 and have been struggling to find a job – any job. I’ve truncated my resume a bit, not to try and hide anything, but to keep what’s relevant and pertinent up front. I’ve experienced age discrimination like many of the posters … my resume and education may get me the foot in the door, but once I enter and the interviewer sees my age, it’s a swift exit out. I’m also healthy and contemporary looking, doesn’t matter.

What puzzles me is that there have to be as many baby-boomers and beyond who are in executive decision making positions — wouldn’t you choose to hire someone who has the experience, maturity and demeanor? Let’s face it, the old “oh they might retire soon” theory went out the window with the retirement gold watch … how many people do you know who can afford to retire at 55?

July 2, 2012 at 11:43 am
(104) Julie Smith says:

Boy, I guess I have been living in la la land. I’m 58 and just got layed off at a job I had been with for 4 years. I’ve sent out close to 40 resumes over the past couple months and have been experiencing what most of you have been experiencing. I’ve never had a problem getting a job, ever! So what are all the 50 somethings doing to survive? I mean if we can’t even get a job at Walmart, then what?

July 3, 2012 at 7:46 pm
(105) Rose says:

Just want to encourage all of you who are going thru’ stuff right now. I would also like to echo the sentiment Gary B. 57 about throwing out comments with some feedback about what to do. Need more positive feedback here. Everyone’s situation is different, but with the same focus. I thought education was the answer, believed the whole bit that if I had a degree, doors would open. It’s a long story. Love the post about not falling into negative thinking. Please keep trying, believe that you can and enlist all the resources you can. I am so impressed by so many of you, your tenacity, your courage, even sharing your stories. Let us encourage each other.

July 6, 2012 at 11:42 am
(106) Mack says:

I too am in my 50′s, have not been in the traditional workforce for some time because kf a special needs child that needed my focus, have a bachelors and masters, and cannot get hired. I have fairly well decided that the only way older folks can get jobs is by becoming an entrepreneur and creating their own work. If a bunch of us banded together to start businesses that hire predominantly older people looking to re-enter the workforce, we could solve this problem.

July 7, 2012 at 5:09 pm
(107) Tammy says:

I am 49 and barely employed 18hrs a week cut down from 38hrs.
I was just going to say what Matt said…Lets all get together and start business’ that have only 40 and older employees! I mean, it is an excellent idea! The one on here ..I forget their name…that has alot of business experience could get us started! Start with a website maybe then go to a brick and mortar . I know we all live in different areas but we could start by meeting up with the ones closest to us and go from there. We could start NOW!! I live in Arizona…20 minutes from Phoenix so if anyone wants to start building a business so we can all start working again LET ME KNOW! I am ready willing and able to do whatever it takes to get everyone here started making money AGAIN!

July 9, 2012 at 8:15 am
(108) GARYB says:

The unfortunate things for us if we did end up only hiring ages 40 and above?
It would be us that would be having “age discrimination” charges successfully filed against us-haha.
Unlike now where it seems that we have zero power to do anything but expose the fact there is a huge age bias in business in this country and not even this administration seems to give a damn about it happening either.
I never heard of a class action suit on this either its as if we just have to lay down and take it.
Yet when we make these factual claims about what happens to us it falls on deaf ears or friends and relatives thinking we “did something worong” or we “arent trying” or we are not “positive enough”.
Bull- we are purely being discriminated against-period.
Not to break bubbles here but all the prayers and rose colored glasses will not help with a resume that says “old” and “too experienced” or if you even get an interview in front of a “20 to 30 something HR person”.
In my eyes yes absolutely returning Vets deserve first crack if qualified for jobs- but then people like us here that have worked hard and well and long and are qualified but were laid off?
We should take a high priority classification too.
I mean after all WE EARNED IT!

July 9, 2012 at 1:42 pm
(109) Ken G says:

I don’t understand it while I am certainly qualified for the field in which I work in ( which is warehousing ) and I have had several interviews, I can not seem to land a job. Either you have to drive fifty miles one way for a poverty level position or they pursue someone that is more qualified, after 30 plus years in my field with excellant reviews on my performance I just can not seem to get a job. Maybe they need to give tax incentives for hiring older workers too.

July 10, 2012 at 10:09 am
(110) Richie C. says:

I am 56 yrs old, with no college education(unless you count UCLA-The University on the Corner of Liberty Avenue). I was a successful commodities trader, and built up a thriving business. After experiencing a perfect storm of electronic trading, market volatility, and good investments rapidly going bad, I found myself out of work, and almost broke. I had to take a loan against my home, and I am now in debt. I posted my resume on all of the job sites, and the only responses that i received were from Wal Mart, for a job that paid 9 dollars an hour and would only let me work 32 hrs a week, and an auto dealership. I had no experience in car sales, but was told that I could make a decent living at it, so i decided to give it a try. I was the oldest salesperson there, and I was amazed at the lack of respect that the younger generation has for us “elders”. I received great csi reports from all of my customers, but I found no support from management, or the back office. If I had run my business the way that this place was run, I would have never had any success at all. I worked there for 3 months, sold 21 cars, worked on average 55 hrs a week and grossed 6800 dollars. By my calculations I made about 7-10 dollars an hour, depending on if I worked every other Sunday. I quit yesterday after working a 54 hr week, selling 2 cars, and taking home 296 dollars at the end of the week. Now, I am terrified. I have spoken to a job recruiter, and a career counselor, who are both trying to get me another sales job, even though my strengths do not lie in being a salesperson.They claim that at my age, there is really nothing else available to me. I have been advised to take the fact that I owned my own company off of my resume, as it is too intimidating. They want me to downplay the fact that I was successful. I have no cash to start my own business, and I feel like I am at the mercy of people who are definitely prejudiced against my age group.

July 11, 2012 at 10:16 am
(111) StillMe says:

Oh.My.God. I just read through all the comments here. The feelings I am having are indescribable. So much of this stuff I could have written myself.

Now—finally—after a long and desperate search, I have the answers I was looking for. Things are just as bad as I thought they were, if not worse. They are not going to get better. I can give up on finding another office job. If I try for something at Burger King and fail, I won’t be surprised. I may not ever work again. At least not for money.

But at least I have heard the truth spoken—at last! Whoooo-hoooooo! Halleluliah!

Gary B: reading your comments is like finding a life raft in a sea of insanity. You should be running the country.

You asked the million-dollar question:

‘Why isnt there someone here that can answer these questions people pose and to also comment about the comments? Isnt there some “professional” here that could at least chime in and say “yes you are right or no you are overthinking”? Someone to say – “yes you are all correct and I know this from HR professionals”?’

Here’s the answer: because they (the people who could answer these questions but don’t) are pod creatures from outer space. Remember the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Outwardly they look like everyone else, but inside there is nothing there. They are not human.

Just for the record, LinkedIn is useless. Completely, totally, 100% useless. You will never find a discussion like this on LinkedIn. Nobody would dare be this frank and outspoken on LinkedIn. You have to be very, very careful what you say on LinkedIn. I have sent inline messages to so many job recruiters on LinkedIn, asking them, “Do people in their 50s and 60s ever get jobs?” There’s an answer, right? And they undoubtedly know what it is. But none of them will answer me back.

July 11, 2012 at 12:15 pm
(112) irma esquivel says:

i lost my job due to downsizing , I worked for the los angeles times paper, started as a telephone operator, and when there was an opening in another dept, I transfered, there i was verifying orders that were coming in,and doing order entry, mail,and multi tasking, with outdoor sales, and whenever there was overtime i would sign up for it,and helping in pbx since i knew how to run the main switchboard of company. But i got very depressed when i lost job, my doctor put me on disability, but I am ready to go back to work, but find at my age 48 its going to be hard, because of all the age descrimination.

July 13, 2012 at 4:23 pm
(113) Jani says:

The last two people I hired were over 55. I hired them over the people under 30. I found that the over-55 candidates were more self-assured, more genuine, had more experience (duh), and more aplomb. I liked them a lot and went to bat for them, as my supervisor didn’t like either of them. I haven’t regretted my decisions one bit.

July 13, 2012 at 4:25 pm
(114) Jani says:

Here’s an idea: how about people get together and create their own businesses or companies? Naive? Maybe, but just reading comments here, I see a wealth of experience and know-how. Why not join forces?

July 14, 2012 at 12:04 am
(115) StillMe says:

Jani:
Comment #1: there’s a special place in heaven for you.
Comment #2: that is a great idea.

July 17, 2012 at 6:52 am
(116) StilMe says:

When I got laid off from my last job, I decided to get involved in professional organizations, so I could network, keep my ear to the ground about trends in my industry, and have more to offer as a professional.

Since then, I have put enormous amounts of time, energy, and resources into volunteering for organizations. I am active in 2 at the board level.

For a long time, I thought it would help me get a job. I’ve heard other people say a thousand times, it will help you get a job. I thought it would send a message to prospective employers: Look–I’m seriously committed to the profession. Instead of watching TV or hanging out in pubs, I spend my free time finding ways to be of service to the professional community.

I have to say, it has helped me personally, because I’ve enjoyed it. But it has not given me an edge when it comes to getting a job. At All. It has not moved the needle on my career one iota.

I finally realized it’s because employers do not care. They are absolutely indifferent to whether or not you take the high road in your professional development. They wouldn’t care if you spent your spare time rushing in to save babies from burning buildings. Integrity, commitment, self-sacrifice–these things mean nothing to employers.

They care about one thing and one thing only, and that is your obedience. When they look at your work history, when they interview you, they are sussing you out for your compliance, your submissiveness. That’s the only thing that matters in today’s workforce. The people who make are those who kowtow.

Many people know this. Few have the courage to say it out loud.

July 17, 2012 at 7:56 am
(117) StilMe says:

This goes back to the question why employers avoid hiring seniors.

The usual answer to the question why they don’t hire seniors is: seniors demand too much money. They can hire young people for cheap.

This is ridiculous and has no basis in observable reality. Everybody I know under 30 makes more money than I do, more money than I’ve ever seen in my life, they drive a nicer car, have better gadgets, and more money to throw away on non-necessities. There’s no shortage of seniors who are struggling, near poverty, and would jump at a $10-an-hour job.

Why they don’t hire seniors is because older people–not all, but some–have usually learned to think for themselves; to tell truth from lies, fact from fiction, reality from fantasy. That makes them dangerous.

Young people, on the other hand, are arch-conformists and do not realize it. They are slaves to the status quo. They get tattoos thinking it expresses their individuality, makes them edgy and rebellious. They don’t notice that everyone else gets tattoos for the exact same reason. They never notice the way they all think alike. They’re the perfect stoolies.

July 19, 2012 at 1:28 am
(118) diamond says:

some young people have a hard time get a job to.

July 21, 2012 at 1:24 am
(119) Tim says:

I’ve been unemployed from the mortgage broker business as a contract processor now for just over FOUR YEARS! That’s FOUR LONG YEARS with NO government unemployment welfare checks because I was NEVER a W-2′d EMPLOYEE. So, I have never been counted as unemployed! But, I have never been out of work. I work as a freelance, entrepreneur in the fields of my expertise. The only problem I have is trying to find any businesses that have any money to buy my services. I’ve thought about going back to school, that is, trade school and learning how to become a backhoe and bulldozer operator. You see, these will be the “Jobs of the Future” once the Great Tribulation begins (and it’s going to begin sooner than most people think) and 25% of the earth’s human population is killed during the first few months. There won’t be money or time for “proper burials” just as we saw when the last tsunami hit Fukishima, Japan. Someone will have to dig pits and bulldose the bodies inside and cover with dirt. This is a job that will last for at least 1,260 days (3 and 1/2 years according to prophecy).

July 21, 2012 at 9:49 pm
(120) Samoldthing says:

I hear you Tim. To everybody else…we do know more than the Gerber Babies out there. I suggest Look into consulting. It seems to be our only survival. I can’t find any permanent work and I’m a special educator with a doctorate. Yes… I can and am licensed to teach special education students as well as teach people how to teach special education students. My students get jobs in school systems that will not hire me because I’m too educated, too experienced and contractually they’d have to pay me too much money.
Thank God my husband works and has helped us put the remainder of our six children through college.
I also have my own research agenda that I’m pursuing on my own with no research dollars. I have had some public attention drawn to my work…so I just keep on chucking and keep on praying…a lot….praying a lot.

July 24, 2012 at 2:46 pm
(121) Lee says:

I’m another 50 year person laid off a year and a half ago from a Fortune 500 company after 26 years of doing their bidding. I was an IT professional doing field work and that’s where ALL my training and experience are. The weekend before I was laid off,one of my closest friends and coworkers passed away unexpectedly. To fill the position, they had another employee who made considerably less money and no benefits, plus was a disaster with customers, called back! Needless to say, I went into a deep depression and am just recovering (No health coverage so I had to “get through it”) enough to get my stuff together. Now I fear it may be too late. I did the school thing, going back to increase my skills and got screwed out of $14,000 from an online university. I’m a single father to a 12 year old girl so working is important. I’ve been to all the jobsites (you can’t “pound the pavement” anymore), Linked In, Job fairs, etc. I’ve written and re-written my resume 4 times to downplay my experience (read, age), but it’s hard to represent what you do by leaving it out. UI pretty much has run out as well as savings. But I don’t think that I’m going to let that deter me. I can’t let my kid see me get beat ’cause she saw me as bad as I’ve ever been and doesn’t want to go back. So I think it’s time to get as creative as possible. I’m looking at 2 part time jobs maybe; I’ve gotten business cards and fliers made and am hiring my self out for small jobs repairing printers, and computers for people at a rate that will get me some cash, but doesn’t pay well at all. So I think the days of a full-time job with full benefits is a dream for us over 50′s and I’m going to be just as rude and aggressive as younger folks in still striving for my piece of the pie … what other choice do I have?

July 26, 2012 at 12:08 am
(122) Ron says:

I have read many comparable stories to mine, here. I’m turning 60, and have been employed… but vastly underemployed as a part-time sales/tech associate. I have interviewed with companies in the year, although it’s been over a year since that has happened. Though nothing was stated directly to me, I am sure I didn’t make it to the final cut because of my age.

At this moment, I am having my resume redone by a “pro”, and I’ll see what comes of that. All I know is that I’m still very capable in all respects, and intend to stay that way. Where I work, I continuously lead in all areas, almost by default, mainly because the 20-something kids are too busy yapping or messing with their smartphones, Don’t get me wrong, they’re nice kids, and fun to be around, and I enjoy the energy, but there’s a time for goofing around, and a time to bear down and get the job done.

Thanks for reading my rant… I wish all good luck… I’ll see ya out there.

July 26, 2012 at 12:29 am
(123) StillMe says:

I am terrified. Absolutely terrified. What’s going to happen to me? How am I going to survive if I don’t have a job?

Maybe my 30 years of experience in the workforce doesn’t count for all that much. But I don’t understand how it counts for nothing. I keep applying for jobs and signing up with agencies, and taking these dumbass basic skills tests. Forget learning anything new. I can’t even graduate from kindergarten. No wonder people lose their edge. That’s bound to happen when all you do is spin your wheels.

I can hardly stand the thought of going on another job interview. They’ve turned into such degrading experiences. It takes me several days to recover from one.

I’ve seen people who gave up on the job market, and figured out how to get on welfare or disability, and they spend all their time trying to figure out how to get handouts from the government. I used to think, why have you just given up? But what they are doing is rational. That’s the scary part. To keep trying and getting nowhere, like I’ve been doing–that’s crazy and doesn’t make any sense.

I remember the movie Logan’s Run, where people were eliminated once they reached a certain age. But at least they were dispatched with some dignity. We’re headed for a similar scenario, but not nearly as nice. I feel as though I am slowly being crushed to death.

July 27, 2012 at 2:58 am
(124) HappyKim says:

Hi. Hang on StillMe. Never give up! If getting food stamps or other assistance would benefit you then get it! There is no shame in needing help. In days gone by we would have extended family to fall back on, but our society preaches independence and self-reliance to such a degree that it has largely done away with that type of social interdependence. The fact is we do need each other terribly. I’m 53, unemployed for 3 years until I found a job that pays $10/hr. I can’t even pay my basic expenses anymore. Yet I know that some how, some way, I/we (all of us over 50) are going to make it through this mess. We are a generation of doers and we will make jobs happen for ourselves. Anyone interested in setting up a non-profit agency whose sole purpose is to find employment for those individuals who are 45 or older? Just a thought. Please tell me StillMe that you won’t give up. Wishing you the best, Kim (not that mean Kim from earlier).

July 29, 2012 at 9:10 am
(125) don says:

ive worked for the same co. for 35 yrs,alot of heavy exausting work as ive aged i cant keep up with the the other guys, there all young strong men. i got told there letting me go because i cant keep up. well i really needed the time off.now that im ready to go back to work there is no co. that wants me at 56,im stuck dont know what to do,ive been living off my savings and day jobs. but with no experiance doing anything else.no one wants me. any ideas?

July 29, 2012 at 11:43 am
(126) GARYB says:

Don: Just accept things as they are and go from there. Go find an easy on your life security guard job and take some stress off your body. YOU already know you wont be doing what you did once they let you go-nor make the money you did. My attitude now working underemployed at $12 an hour is that there are alot of people making same or less and going through hell- All I need to do is stay awake! That and count the days to age 62 when I damn well grab what I worked all these year for and earned SSI! My days of “strive and drive” ended 2 years after my lay off when I realized NOBODY wanted my “strive and drive”. So a bit of bitterness and anger have gone by and given way to acceptance and just dealing with it-because at the end of a lay off in your 50`s and all your savings-svverance and $401K gone- No need to waste the rest of what I have left being angry-its not changing a damn thing except taking days off my life.

August 1, 2012 at 10:23 am
(127) Michelle says:

I feel depressed after reading all these post’s. At 50 I have been out of work Since the end of February 2012. I apply for about 100 Jobs a week and each morning I wake up praying my email is full of responses, or that my phone starts ringing. The silence deafening…

I have had to move in with my Daughter and her Family because I could not pay rent, I lost my Vehicle because I could no longer afford the car payments. I have searched high and low for resources that may be available to help someone in my situation but Nothing!! Well I did qualify for 3 months of Food Stamps (are you kidding me?)

The internet is also not much help. All I find is more forums like this one with everyone talking about their situation, but I see no answers.

So I think about this and I wonder……. Maybe all us Old Folks could band together? ( Strength in numbers) Maybe start local groups to help one another. Where as one person may have a resource another is in need of and so on…

August 3, 2012 at 12:43 pm
(128) Dee says:

I totally relate to your dilemma. I’m 57, and also have more than 25 years experience in office management. After I was terminated due to no fault of my own in 2009, I returned to school, attained a degree in Sociology, and now I’m waiting word on a grad program. I wonder if I will be to old to use it.

In the three years I’ve been without work, I have applied for more than 100 positions, with only two interviews.

I have to admit it has toyed with my Christian faith. I worked for a church, had no idea I was going to be let go because I had more seniority. I left that position with no unemployment benefits! No one, not even the pastor reached out to me after my dismissal. I was invited back for margaritas so everyone could give me a proper send-off. Heck, I was already gone, so how proper would it have been for me to come back? So they could rub it in?

August 4, 2012 at 9:47 am
(129) John says:

Once you hit 40 you cannot use the same old methods to get a job. I am 65 and still in the workforce. I have had six jobs since age 40. I was laid off twice and left three times for better opportunities.

There is only one thing that has landed a job for me:

***Someone had a problem I could solve!***

I work in HR and here’s the truth:
– “Entry level” means you have to be willing to work for almost nothing and do scut work until you prove yourself.
– Any other position – if my screeners and hiring managers can’t see in 40 seconds that you can solve a problem my organization has you are not going to get noticed.

So, whether you are with an employee or on your own…
Find a problem.
Solve it.
…easer said than done.

August 6, 2012 at 4:48 pm
(130) lovingsunnyflorida says:

I was curious so I goggled to find out if others my age (54) were having the same challenges finding a job – and low-and-behold I found all of you, and thank goodness I did. A little background – My husband was laid off and it took him 13 months to finally land a job at one-third the pay and we had to move to another state (at our expense) so I had to quit my job. I am NOT counted anywhere as unemployed. I do administrative work – am very good at it – have awards and letters of recommendation along with those stupid tests to prove it. To sum it up: one very large corporation’s HR person (25-30 year old) told me I have a very impressive resume; interviewed exceptionally well with the department managers; and was very well liked. BUT why was I not chosen, I asked? I can’t believe I got an answer. “They” decided to choose someone “less seasoned, less green around the ears.” Was I intimidating Or was it age discrimination?

I cannot even get hired as a bank teller even with having been one. One bank chose me to move forward to the interview process, but first I had to complete more forms – which included my birthdate – never heard back. Age discrimination?

Are employers aware of the talent their HR departments are throwing into the trash? Are employers intentionally NOT hiring older candidates because of what is coming down the road in their medical costs? Do employers really believe younger people are more valuable to their bottom line?

Signed: Completely Baffled.

August 14, 2012 at 2:04 am
(131) EDP says:

I’m 59 and haven’t been able to get a job in 4 years.
I know how to write HTML, CSS, do Flash banners, I had to sell my home, go through my savings, and what I had in IRAs. I have $129 to my name as I write this. On the rare occasions I get an interview, I see the look on their faces when they see a woman clearly over 50, and I know. It took me a while to catch because I was naive enough to believe companies would not really discriminate against an older worker. But now, after hearing “too experienced, you wouldn’t be happy and we’d have to do another search”. “not experienced enough in _______ “(something not on the initial req, but suddenly comes up post interview, or “we found a candidate that is a closer match”, I know how to read between the lines.
Bottom line is nobody cares what happens to you when you are over 50. Nobody.
With nothing left, no family, no way to support myself, I have saved up enough meds from when I had medical insurance to move on permanently. There is nothing else left to do.

August 15, 2012 at 6:01 pm
(132) Mal says:

I have read the comments, and at 58, I see the frustration. I have not worked since 2001, have applied for umpteen jobs, now have given up looking. Believe me, if you are old (after 50), forget it. Companies prefer young people because they pay minimum wage, and they want to train them their way. They think we are too old to learn new things. That’s the truth about the world. (So the retirement age has increased…).

August 15, 2012 at 6:06 pm
(133) Mal says:

Wanted to add that I gave up looking for jobs because it became very depressing. It’s a vicious circle, no job, no money, lose health insurance, self esteem, confidence, and worry about the bills.

Getting old is awful here in the United States.

August 16, 2012 at 7:20 pm
(134) Kathy says:

This is crazy!! Retirement age for me is now 66. But, based on your experiences, age discrimination is prevalent in all industries. At age 59, I am blessed to have a job but our dept is being transferred to our India office in the next few months so I too will be in the older unemployed group. As an RN coder (Clinical Research Analyst), my field is specialized and pretty narrow with respect to opportunities. That is, in contrast to a clinician who still cares for patients. We need an advocate! Ike several stated, we never imagined being in this situation at our age… so much for corporate devotion!

August 17, 2012 at 9:24 pm
(135) Mitzi Roberts says:

I am 53 years old and have been out of work for over a year now. I have worked for temp agencies but the work is few and far between.
I have had interviews and when they see me they are why are you here.
One of the temp agencies that I was with sent me and a younger person who had a lot less experience to the same interview and the company hired her. When the temp agency asked why they chose her over me they said that she was trainable.

This is sad because my unemployment is almost up and I have a house payment and bills that need to be paid. My mother and I live together and between the two of us we are down to nothing.

August 18, 2012 at 4:19 pm
(136) Zoey says:

I like many of you have extensive experience in the High Technology industry and Customer Service. The owner of the company I was working for hired a man who is 64 and he said, he is only at our company for 5 years years and then retiring and his job is to make the owner of this company and real CEO. He did not care about people he only cares that the company makes money. He came from a business that is currently under indictment for money laundering (he was at this company for 20 years VP of Sales and Finance). With that being said, he is going through this privately held company (interesting he is at a very small company less than 100 people and not public) and laying off people in good productive jobs and those of us he is ‘laying off’ have received praise for doing a great job and raises along with it. Interesting to watch the owner take a back seat an letting him do this. I was there for almost 6 years (shy by 1 month). He reorganized and started laying people off as he went through each group, I went to the owner, whom I reported to and he said ‘no your fine’. So now this guy is looking a my group, and no surprise got laid off too. I’m now 54 looking for a job. This is a very hard process and life changing for anyone who is going through this. What do we all over 50 bring to the table? Maturity, understanding, and make sound business decisions, and most of all, will do what it takes to get the job done. Working the hours to get the job done is never a problem.

August 19, 2012 at 12:07 am
(137) Lindsey says:

The worst part is having family look at you as though you are not trying hard enough. I’m 55 in Chicago and I’ve been desperately searching for almost 2 years and I am thrilled when someone actually calls me for an interview – and then I get hit with the big “O” as in overqualified.. What they really mean is “O” as in “Old”.

August 19, 2012 at 9:25 pm
(138) Pamela says:

Your stories all sound like mine and a million others. Grew up on LaSalle St/Chgo was taught my business savvy by those who invented it! Have worked for the Royal Honor Society/Oxford University was the personal assistant to the head of crude oil procurement, hydrocarbons, LPG’s for Dow Chemical, our ‘region’ was all of the Middle and Far East!. Managed the world oil conference for Dow/London & it goes on from there.

Was lucky to have the most innovative and intelligent mentors, unfortunately, they are retired or dead. These men invented many of the systems we take for granted in the business world and cannot steal a job at the crummiest place in town.

However, I have an idea. I need smart people to start and matters naught if we have minimum wage jobs, we will not this time next year. Flexibility & willingness to band together to bring it to fruition rules the day. No substitute for smarts and creativity.

We are idea people with great work ethics, each and every one of us. After all, the young only talk to computers,have zero communication skills, cannot make a decision without convening congress, & cannot function without a charger. I am sorry to sound condescending but they amuse me and I feel so sorry for them when I see their lives. They do not even have the ability to laugh at themselves. What will they do in the future?

Let us use the basket of skills and the innovative ideas we have gathered over the years. I have a great idea. How do I connect with those interested, I am new to this forum.

Suggestions?

Best to All

August 20, 2012 at 2:24 pm
(139) 58, unemployed says:

I have over 35 years of contiguous employment with wonderful references; yet haven’t had a permanent job since 2008. About 4 interim contracts since then, employers happy with my work. Three I got via agencies and one I found via volunteering. Whereas I made $26/hour pre 2008 layoff, greedy reps (dare I say. “pimps”) tell me their clients are only willing to pay $14 for senior business experience (while charging the employer $30+/hour). My last position at a non profit centre was actually able to pay me more! I remember one agency rep asked me to present for a position at a company I already registered and interviewed with a month earlier …I told her this and she was perplexed why I said I would not present again under their agency for this position – It wouldn’t be fair. She retorted that even though I have been interviewed with this company before now, IF in the case I won this position (outside their agency), I could not accept it! ….the audacity! I also think it’s illegal what she said. In hindsight, I should have approached our Ontario Ministry of Labour on this conversation….although I didn’t get that job anyways. So, with that said, I think direct volunteering efforts may open better doors for us as well and fulfill that spiritual gap devoid via agency placements.

August 20, 2012 at 2:35 pm
(140) 58, unemployed says:

I should mention that I’m likely surreptitiously black listed at this agency now for holding my ethical ground. Haven’t heard from them since, almost a year now. Has anyone else encountered similar issues with agencies?

August 28, 2012 at 12:55 pm
(141) Lis says:

Wow, I could feel very depressed and unmotivated by reading
what my fellow oldie but goodies are going through. But that is
not what I am going to do. I am an entrepreneur by nature. Nothing
big and fancy mind you but I like to work for myself. I came here
looking for ideas for a new venture, as I am ready to do something
new and generate income after taking a few years off to care for
aging parents and young kids. I thought at 45 I was young…
I know there are profoundly brilliant minds here with so much more
business sense than I will ever possess. So I offer this thought or challenge to all of us.
As “older” workers, with more resources in many cases than our younger counterparts, we should realize the shear power we hold in our vast numbers. We can’t get hired at these companies, yet we continue to spend our money with them? Hmmm I think that is one problem that can be overcome with some strategic boycotts or letter writing campaigns and awareness. And I have to admit I had no idea this age discrimination was going on, blatantly and across the board. Lets face it, our dejected hearts won’t change these companies minds but our dollars will. We need to get the message out. Which companies hire older workers, which refuse. This could take off in a big way if enough people seem to care, and we all should. I believe we are the majority.
So come on brilliant minds lets turn this ship around and take back
our power. We can make a difference.

August 28, 2012 at 1:15 pm
(142) Jessica says:

I was completing an externship after completing a 9 month long pharmacy technician program. The pharmacist didn’t hire me, noting, “There are other younger graduates with the same credentials you have, you know.” or something to that effect..

I was thinking, I’m 24! – _ – But to him, I was older than some other pharmacy techs who are 18 or 19.

I can only imagine how difficult it must me be at 40 or 50 given i’m experiencing the same thing at 25. :/

Discouraging!

August 30, 2012 at 11:21 am
(143) Dave says:

“Take another computer course” keep your skills up blah blah blah. Guess what, if you are 57 years old, as I am, and a professional CPA no amount of continuing education is going to help. The day I go back to school somebody is going to have to pay me for my time. Short of that, screw it!! Had enough, will hold out for social security and get out of the US if I need to.

August 30, 2012 at 6:40 pm
(144) Mark says:

I hear things such as..”you are over qualified”. “I see you were at one job 14 years and your current job 8” years, we do not feel you have enough ambition or drive for our company. The Interviewer went on to scold me for being stagnant. I am 50 years old and have 30 yrs experience, won national awards, and continued work as a consultant in new company start ups… Now that I need to change jobs, I really do not hear much.

September 13, 2012 at 11:25 am
(145) office worker says:

I have an AA degree, experience and job history as a bookkeeper, production control process specialist, office manager and business owner, and had excellent references,. I am Microsoft certified in Word and Excel, and I was willing to take the mid-to-low range wages to start. I applied for over 200+ jobs in two years. Out of the 200, I was invited to 23 interviews. I was consistently met with comments such as “You do know that this job can be very-fast paced?” or “Where do you see yourself within this company in the next 5,10, and 20 years?” Well folks, at 60 years old, in 20 years I’m not sure I will see myself anywhere. I started my own one-woman business (again!) three years ago, and now make a very comfortable living. Many of the businesses I applied to are no longer in business. So much for the 20-year plan!

September 13, 2012 at 2:12 pm
(146) Lynn says:

I lost my job 2 years ago , do to age discrimination,and I have been job searching since then and still no one will hire me because of my age and Iam 48 yrs. old !!!!!! I am so frusterated and stressed out !!

September 13, 2012 at 10:12 pm
(147) ken says:

I am a general contractor i have worked in my field for over 38 years. my experience is in today’s market I am not only a minority , but I AM LOOSING CONTRACTS TO PEOPLE THAT DO NOT HAVE A GREEN CARD . Plus they are giving there work away at less then the cost of material. Which means they are using lesser quality material and they work for $5.00 dollars an hour. I can not cut that in my home life , and I am tired of dealing with this. There are a lot of people out there that are really hurting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

September 14, 2012 at 7:59 am
(148) Karen says:

I applied at a company thinking I had the job in the bag. I even did a Powerpoint presentation for them showing how I could earn profits. They turned my down for the college kid who was sitting next to me.

To Ken’s comment about Green Cards. The same company that I had applied for had also hired a cashier that couldn’t even speak to me because she didn’t know English. I stood in line thinking, I am college educated with 20 years of experience. I come to work each day and don’t fake an illness because I don’t want to come to work. I have had life experiences and know how to handle conflicts, but this company hired a college kid to manage a multi-million dollar store and a cashier that can’t speak my language. Why am I shopping here?

Eventually, there will be a company out there that will look at my resume and my presentation and have the forethought to know I would be an asset to their company. It is just going to take a little more time.

September 14, 2012 at 4:30 pm
(149) Brenda says:

I am 61 years old and have been layed off for over a year and a half. I am close to being homelesss. I have no one and less than $200.00 to my name. I have a plumbing problem and have to go out to turn my water off and back on to bathe and flush since I cannot afford to call a plumber. I, like all of you have sent out resumes by the hundreds to know avail. I barely sleep and am very frightened. I had no idea being old was going to be so devestating. Thank all of you for your stories and Gary hug your family and be thankful you are not enduring this alone. Being alone is horrible.

September 14, 2012 at 5:34 pm
(150) Lady Di 60 says:

I hear you. I hear all of you. I’m 60, and am going on 4 years since my last full-time “permanent” job. After a (mercifully!) brief stint doing contract work supposedly compatable with my 30-plus year career, I found myself in Real Estate school. I picked up my license and went to work for a local broker. The manager who let me “hang my license” with him was fired soon after. His replacement was just awful; the kind of guy who’d make your skin crawl! He invited me into his office, sarcastically sneared about all the real estate esentials he COULD help me with, then concluded with “But, if you’re not attractive to people, I can’t help you with that.”

Ugh.

I left that agency and went to another brokerage. Still working and praying for this Realtor® stuff to pay off.

Sometimes I feel like I’ve just purchased a job for myself. Loads of money out of my pocket, and nothing coming in. There’s whole weeks when I can’t bare going into the office and sitting in sales meetings with agents who have loads of listings.

Thank God I did a hitch in the Navy. I’m receiving medical care from the VA and seriously LOVING it–honestly. My house is paid for and I have many other blessings in my life. But, there are days when I wonder what’ll ever happen.

September 18, 2012 at 1:16 am
(151) Karina says:

I will be fifty-nine on Thursday. I was laid off on August 31st, so I am just entering my third week of unemployment. In February 2011, the nonprofit where I was employed as a contract accountant went through reorganization and many were laid off then. I worked there for three years on a contract basis for $55.00/hr. Another company contracted me during those same three years and that business closed in April 2011 because the proprietor retired. I was kept on at the nonprofit as an employee for $20.00/hr. So, for the past year and a half I have been supplementing my monthly income with my savings, which is now depleted. I have withdrawn from my IRA for medical and tax-related expenses. I have been searching diligently for another position since March 2011, have sent many resumes, and have not received even one response.

After reading of all your experiences with long-term unemployment, I am afraid. I do not know how so many of you have survived for a year or more without being employed. I assume that most of you are married or have a partner, so you have a support system and perhaps another income in your household. I live alone with no one to help me. I will be able to draw unemployment for the next six months, but that is not even enough to pay my rent, utilities, and insurance. I have $12,000 left in my IRA. If I do not find a job within the next six to eight months, I could become homeless. In 2009 and 2010, I grossed $88,000 each year. Who would have thought that it would come to this?

September 18, 2012 at 5:50 pm
(152) Karen says:

Hello All!

Wish me luck! I have an interview tomorrow. They want me to present a Powerpoint Presentation. I posted a few posts back and was declined by another Company when I did a Powerpoint presentation for them (not requested, but I thought it would set me apart from the pack). I will keep you posted. This Company stated they are all about innovation and creativity. Let’s see if this is true.

September 19, 2012 at 5:04 pm
(153) Mark says:

Wow, this is very depressing. I was laid off in 2009 after 8 years with the same company. They closed my location. I was out of work for about 3 months with no interviews, but then landed a job with a long standing company. That lasted for about 5 – 6 months until the owner came in one day and informed us that he was bankrupt. Back to looking for a job, I had all of three interviews, but got hired by the third company, after about five + months looking. Oh and also, my wife lost her job of almost fourteen years in that same year, Fast forward to 2012, she is working for another company, albeit for a huge salary reduction. At the same time, my company decided to downsize and relocate their whole CSR dept from MA to PA. Its been a little over three months ONCE AGAIN unemployed due to economics. I am now 54 years old and went into this positively, but I’m starting to feel like the kiss of death.

September 19, 2012 at 9:15 pm
(154) Lolita says:

Sorry, but someone has to stick up for Kim. I am a writer and editor. And I used to own a secretarial service where I saw thousands of resumes. If Diane completed applications with misspellings and other “cosmetic” problems, hers will be the first to be tossed. With so many people vying for jobs in these hard times, EVERYTHING is very important. Keep in mind, each application and/or resume is given approximately 30 SECONDS the first time around. That’s not a lot of time to make a good impression. So before you submit anything, proof, proof, proof. It’s a good idea to have someone else look it over. I can’t tell you how many resumes were proofed, several copies printed and then they realized their phone number was incorrect! Sorry, but Kim is right. She wasn’t being rude; she was being realistic.

September 20, 2012 at 1:33 am
(155) Tony says:

Unemployed since 2009. I’m 37 and already suffering the “age” thing when being considered for a position. Next thing you know, they’ll be asking parents permission to hire their kids.

September 20, 2012 at 7:05 am
(156) Terri says:

Brenda 149, I am 57, female, unemployed, no family or friends; alone and afraid of my future and becoming homeless. Somehow we need to band together to help each other. I am in Cali and would like to start manufacturing hemp products. Remember when rope was made from hemp. Laws need to be changed though. With the skills, education, and experience on just this site, we can accomplish greatness. The younger generation blames the baby boomers for all that is wrong in the world. They do not respect us and believe we deserve to live in poverty. I have experienced this.

September 21, 2012 at 9:50 am
(157) Linda in Ohio says:

I have just spent hours reading everything all of u have written. I have been a widow since 1992. raised 3 kids on my own. worked from home and out there too once the kids were all in school. I am up to date on all computor skills and then some-in fact at my last position as office manager I was considered the computor go to person. I have upwards of 10 resumes on my desk top. Im on facebook-with breakout I mean everything. I have even had a busness card printed up with contact info just in case I’m some where without a resume. I know sounds desparate. But I guess I am.
I’m56 and OMG until now thought I might have been a minority-NOT!
Thk u everyone for being so honest and out there.
I have a BA-But still will be willing to take a 10.00 an hour job. I have been out of a job this time only since April the company I was with laid me off 4 yrs ago but called me back now 2 years later replaced me with a 32 year old and I was the one that trained her for my position-I was promised a promotion-but oh so sorry HQ has desided not to go in that direction at this time.
Sorry all got off track there.
I have had to turn to my kids for help-they are such good and respecful kids. But how sad is that they are tring to build there lives and i’ve become a burden.
All of u have been reading my mind. I won’t give up. I can’t or i’ll go insane.Or am i insane for not giving up.
I have had at least 10 interviews in the last 4 months- one place had me back for 4 interviews and then went with someone else.
Don’t these employers realize what they are passing up with all of us? I know have to figure out how to live and support myself for a least the next 10 yrs.
Thx all for this thread.

September 22, 2012 at 1:08 am
(158) jim says:

Linda in ohio come to Houston Texas you will go to work how old I am 59 service manager for an A/C company. I wished I could find some good people that gave a damn.

September 23, 2012 at 5:03 pm
(159) Karen says:

Hello All!
I have posted here before. Well, the presentation interview happened, but without the presentation. They advised everyone that interviewed that there was a miscommunication and the presentation wasn’t supposed to be delivered unless the person was called back for a second interview. Well, now I have a really nice presentation. They claim I am the third choice. Well, I don’t play second…or in this case, third fiddle. Plus today is Sunday and the person was supposed to be notified last Friday. Looks like I didn’t get it.

I have another interview this week with another company. I am not giving up! The good news is, is that I am getting better at this interviewing thing. I will continue to have high spirits and keep pushing forward.

To everyone that is looking…I got some really good advice by reading another post. While I was waiting for the presentation interview people to tell me to come back on Friday to do the presentation, I got a call from another company to interview with them. They asked for Friday but I passed it up because I was waiting to see about coming back to do my presentation. The other company then said to come in the next week which I said, OK. The presentation interview never happened because they went with someone else. Here I was sitting home all day on Thursday waiting for a call from them and no call until 7pm and I was told I was third. I should have told the other company, “Sure I will interview with you on Friday,” If the presentation company REALLY wanted me, they would have waited. My point is…the person’s advice that I am now taking is that after an interview, I will come home and continue to apply. If I get a call from another company to interview on a Friday or whatever day and I am waiting for a previous company to call for a second interview that is supposed to be scheduled on that same day, then I am going to schedule that new interview.

So, I will be at it again.

September 24, 2012 at 7:36 am
(160) Linda in Ohio says:

Hi Everyone
Thanks Jim (158) nice to know there is one employer that sees quality when it’s in front of him.
I think the sad thing is I really do enjoy working in an office,,thats probably why I am so good at what I do.
Maybe u can wake the employers up here in Ohio.

October 10, 2012 at 3:17 pm
(161) ZigZagg says:

As an older worker (early 50′s) I can tell you that it can be difficult getting hired. The funny part is that I have a higher typing speed, am more computer literate and can speak with grammar better than co-workers who are more than half my age.

The BEST weapons an older applicant /employee can have include:

1) Facebook,
2) an I-phone,
3) be seen texting or sending IM,
4) high typing speed,
5) MS Office,
6) neat and clean appearance, and
7) having good attendance.

P.S. Try to avoid sneezing, coughing, yawning or blowing your nose too loudly. Be careful about talking on death-illness-medications or remembering the death of MLK, JFK or Apollo 13.

October 13, 2012 at 11:56 pm
(162) Company CEO says:

Our company is the opposite. We prefer to hire mature employees as young ones seem not to last and most of them are not responsible.

Please contact us, we are hiring for a Program Manager to run a Day Program for the Developmental Disabilties in Phoenix Arizona. This position is full time. Cross steets 24th Avenue/Peoria.

Please call to arrange an interview:

602-944 1790

October 16, 2012 at 11:13 am
(163) Laura says:

I am 41 years of age and have been unemployed for over a year and will soon run out of of my unemployment beneifts and still with all my experience cant find a job. Everyone around me that is about 10-15 years younger than I am are finding jobs with no problem. I need to know how I am going to get hired on somewhere and beat that age discrimination thing. Please help or assist.

October 16, 2012 at 8:35 pm
(164) Linda in Ohio says:

Hi All
#162- nice to hear ur company bends torward the mature employee.

Since my last post I have been on 6 interviews went thru the typical steps, phone interview,first face to face, second face to face thats when they ask for a copy of my DL-
The interviewers seem to have a hard time guessing my age. im told I look younger than I really am. I have even been asked if I have school age kids to be concerned about I always answer no and don’t give hints how old my kids are BTW they are full grown adults with jobs of their own. After taking a copy of my DL I know I’m done-My age is on it. 56.
I’m widowed and I need to support myself-no income from a husband here.

So to the age 41 in another post but u have a long way to go if ur having problems at that age-so sorry to hear that.

I have another interview on the 23rd. Of course I hope for the best for myself and everyone on this thread.

October 17, 2012 at 3:55 pm
(165) joe says:

Been looking for work for a year now. Im 47 have a class a cdl 8 years of customer service and know with out a doubt Im being discriminated against to make things worse i owe child support and will soon lose my licenses then be throw in jail if i cant find a job this is a great injustice and Im becoming angry with a government that throws its older people away like trash. We are not creating enough jobs to let thousands of imagrints come to the USA each year it is now obvious and has been for years our government cant take care of the people already hear i think common sense would tell us that immigration should be based on jobs available

October 18, 2012 at 9:58 am
(166) Satvir Singh says:

I am 60 years of age and have been unemployed for the last 5 months. I had experience of 35 years in government and worked in the area of finance, accounts and administration/HRD etc. I donot like to be old at this age of 60 years and want to do something and cannot sit idle. I like to serve the pooe people if no fixed job is available. I also had working experience on computer, MS Office, inernet etc. I am suitable for educational institutions, universities, schools, NGO etc. I am willing to start own work also. But at this age and due to financial crunch unable to take decision. So any organisations/person have any requirement for me may kindly write me. I will be grateful for your help.

October 18, 2012 at 11:36 pm
(167) briant says:

i am 41, been out of work since feb. 2010. since then i have been looking for work with 30+ yrs. of sale experience and 20+ years of management. i get all the same response they have found a better canidate that fit there qualifications. bottom line is i’m to old or over qualified for the position. to answer that one million dollar question you are right we are being discrimated because of age and we are not over thinkers. this is happening all over the united states. so we the people who have the experience to do the job right and bring high profits to the company are getting screw. i look at one thing if it wasn’t for the older generation where would these big company be now. so how do they repay us for there huge success by letting us go so they can save money and hire younger people, at cheap pay to do the job. sooner or later these big company are going to pay for there mistakes. we at being at older age have to stand up and express ourself and start opening peoples eyes to what is going on out there. we can’t depend on are younger generation to lead this country to success. this generation of kids don’t care about what’s going on. they don’t respect the elder. the school system can’t control them and they basically do what they want. why i ask? cause are rights as parents have been taken away from us, just as our rights to work cause of our age. we as the older generation need to stand up for ourself and say enough is enough. if we are only putting 100% to land that job, next time put in 110% and so on, til we show that age shouldn’t matter. why should we suffer? why should we have to worry about our age when we are going to a job interview? what happen to equal rights for all of us when being interview? until someone up there opens up there eyes and see what’s going on, none of this going away.

October 22, 2012 at 3:33 am
(168) HK says:

My husband is 49 now. He was let go from his last “real” job in 2008 and has not found anything since then. We live in Southern Nevada and he has even applied for positions in other states. He has over 20 years of experience in the insurance, annuities, and investment professsion. Unemployment and not being able to support your family is the hardest reality to hit anyone. I have seen my husband do well before he lost his job as a top producer for major insurance and annuity companies. But now, it seems that he is swept aside for some fresh-out of college kid or former football player without ANY related knowledge or experience in the industry. Please help, if anyone can appreciate a person who is ethical, knowledgable, and determined to help produce for your company. My husband is a good man for the job. Even our mortgage company has passed us up for refinancing our home because we’re not pulling in enough to cover the bills. For the first time ever, we missed our payment and don’t know how we’ll be able to survive. I’m just so sad that our young son has to see everything. When you’re unemployed, everything is expensive. I’ll hopefully finish nursing school in 10 months, but for now, we are living day by day. Please help us.

October 22, 2012 at 7:44 am
(169) Linda in Ohio says:

“until someone up there opens up there eyes and see what’s going on, none of this going away.” From poster #167
I agree-but they never will see it because they are employed and earning more money than god! (no offence to anyone)
I just saw on the morning news chanel 3 a segment on smart retirement saving and how much u should pull from your pay for the future. What a joke-how do u pull 10% of 0? There was not a single reference to the unemployment problem and never is the age discrimination subject ever mentioned.
This whole country and the hole it is in is discusting.
My mom use to say that we are heading for things to be like times long ago in the 40′s when 3 or 4 families need to be living in the same house and pulling their money just to survive. I think she was right. Good luck to all of us!!!!!

October 22, 2012 at 7:01 pm
(170) Lorena says:

Hello everyone:

I am a 56 divorced woman and I was a housewife for 25 years.
I have a Bachelor of Science degree and a Medical Technologist degree wirh some Masters courses in Marine Biology all from the 70′s and 80′ s. I only worked as a Medical Technologist for 8 years and then got married back in 1985.
After my divorce in 2008 at age 53 I went back to school and got a CNA degree ( certified Nursing Assistant) . I took my state boards and passed them withno problem and now I am certified CNA. I just got two part time jobs one as an assistant manager in a Senior facility and another as a CNA, both with good companies and both with no problem at all . i keep them both because I want to. I will and want to continue my college studies though because I want to be an RN. ( registered Nurse with a Bachelors, only a year more of college and a good salary to start when I am done)
As an RN my salary will be 25 to 30 dollars an hour to start. There is a huge demand for RN ‘s . I am also fully bilingual!!!!! English and Spanish.
The key for me in finding jobs in this economy has been education, , education and more education and a great positive attitude , !By the way , I was betrayed by my ex husband 4 years ago, he also closed our joint bank accounts without my permission and I was left with no money , two daughters and no job and look where I am now.
Never give up….think and act like when you were 28-30! I changed carrers went back to school and I will continue for more education and I will never give up!!!! I will be an RN an I will work until My 70′s with great benefits and salary!!! By the way my plans are to work only three days a week in the future.
Thanks to all and wish me luck!!!!!!

Gracias,
Lorena

October 28, 2012 at 10:00 pm
(171) James says:

I took early retirement thinking I would quickly find another job in I T Management. Didnt happen. Although I did find temporary work in a Vineyard escorting tourists (age is an asset, so is a posh accent) and in an Antiques store (age and accent being assets). Truth is that companies exist to make a profit, not provide a job. There is a lot of competition for jobs and frankly, younger people are considered more aggresive, more aware of technology and just more ‘fun’ to be around in a work environment. We have outsourced our jobs to overseas companies. In fact, before I retired, my company (largest outsourcer in the world) was busy handing out redundancy notices as quickly as it could provide H1 visas to Indians. This led to my taking early retirement when there was a general offer made. I am frankly glad I dont have to work for a company where most of the time I was deceiving employees and customers. I do miss the expenses, the money and sometimes the work was interesting with interesting people, but rarely. Feel very sorry for people who actually need the job for the income. But we elected our politicians who are complicit in making sure we dont have openings, but can give visas to overseas workers who will work for almost nothing.

October 29, 2012 at 1:37 am
(172) beverly says:

Not stress here and disturbing to me is. lack of employment leads to extreme poverty. you no longer can provide for yourself. Loss of home, health insurance and car and then the ability to even search for a job. Homelessness this is is crazy. It seems society has shut the door and window on people in there late 30s and older without a conscious.

October 30, 2012 at 9:01 pm
(173) Chris says:

I am a 34yo mechanical engineering student and have found that I cannot seem to get an interview. Spent the last decade in law enforcement, making a career change. I have many allocates at my current employer, and a GPA of 3.78. Whats the deal? Is it my age? VERY frustrating

October 31, 2012 at 7:02 pm
(174) Bevo says:

I am 60 years old. Boy, I don’t know where the years went. But here I am at 60 laid off of my job for 2 years and back out looking for a job. Not going very well, didn’t want to think it is my age but realistically that is the reason I am not getting hired. Had only one interview and that was with a temp agency. The women that interviewed me wasn’t that much younger than me. She made me feel as if I had a chance for getting one of the jobs she shared with me because of my qualifications. She told me to go home and do the assessments she would be back in touch with me. I called her the next day she was really excited stating she had sent my information to both employers and was waiting on their response. Two days went by and I heard nothing. The third day I decided to call and honestly I got the cold shoulder. It was so vivid, she said that I was not one of those selected for the job. I was crushed. However, I am not giving up. I am a licensed Life/Health agent and I am going to have to concentrate on working that business to bring in some income. I wish all of you much success. Don’t give up because there is always hope.

November 1, 2012 at 4:27 pm
(175) Jean says:

Here is what I see. We are all on this site complaining and it is all true. The hiring practices, not wanting to up insurance costs, etc. However I do not see anyone choosing to act. Are we AARP groupies? I don’t think so. BTW I don’t even think most of their staff is over 50. I looked a while back and their leadership didn’t look it.

So why are we taking it? We have choices. I know we are frustrated and broke. I have not had a real job in 3 years. But when we do have a few dollars, lets not spend it with businesses run by young people. Money talks and BS walks as they say. Let’s show how powerful our numbers are by directing our money and saying why.

November 2, 2012 at 4:13 pm
(176) Jack Reylan says:

Don’t blame the managers, blame the unemployable housewives who work as headhunters and personnel, who destroy careers by churning people between firms and then refuse to hire them if they took time to care for dying parents.

November 3, 2012 at 3:58 am
(177) daz says:

HR has turned in to mindless robots that tick of a list. It’s their job and that is the problem, It’s their job. They don’t realise or forget the impact they have on a persons life.
We have HR people that are in their early 20′s, living at home with their parents and with no idea of the real world.
Is this the system we are happy with?

November 5, 2012 at 10:53 am
(178) Robert says:

I am now 61. The last steady job I had was in 2008. I have not even been given the chance of an interview for the past 3 years. I hold a masters level in graphics and have written a good portion of the school art curriculum in my area, but because I don’t have ed classes I can’t even substitute. I could art direct anywhere…if I was 20 years younger.

November 5, 2012 at 12:33 pm
(179) Patty says:

Obama claims to have produced all these jobs, yet here we are, unemployed and discriminated against. I’m in the same boat as everyone else and have $100,000 debt for student loans to boot. I pray we have a new President soon.

November 5, 2012 at 3:03 pm
(180) Dawn says:

I have read many of the posts and comments here; it’s quite sad. I am 42yrs old, but really don’t consider myself an “old lady” just yet! I have a Master’s Degree and a BA degree. I served in the Marine Corps and was “honorably” discharged. I married a Marine, we moved around a lot over the course of his military career….wherever we moved, I was able to get a professional state job. Now, my husband is retired and we have settled down, and I cannot find a JOB! I believe employers look at my job history and notice that I worked here and there, but never for an extensive amount of time because my husband would receive orders and we would have to move . It is very frustrating!!! I have knowledge, education, training, and skills….but it seems I’m not marketable at my age! Oh, and I have computer skills!!!!

November 5, 2012 at 4:36 pm
(181) Sherri Figurny says:

Well it goes without saying that you need to know people to plug you in to a job. Take my situation for example I was 52 when I was handed a trailer park managers position because I was great friends with the owner Ray Thurm who owned the trailer park and than sold it to a large corporation. I had no experience what so ever. I never worked a day in my life. And I never attended college. I am a high school graduate. Than one day the new owners of the trailer park they asked me and offered me a salary at $50,579 per year with free rent. I took the position. Now I am 63 and earn $82,995 per year with free rent. I buy QVC and HSN jewelry and stuff. SO ITS NOT WHAT YOU NOW ITS WHO YOU NOW.

November 9, 2012 at 8:40 am
(182) dawn says:

What does buying jewelry from QVC and HSN have to do with finding a job? Just asking.

November 10, 2012 at 12:12 pm
(183) Michelle says:

I am suffering with UNEMPLOYMENT TRAUMATIC STRESS SYNDROME from AGE/EXPERIENCE/WHO I DON’T KNOW Discrimination!
I am 57, have a Masters Degree with a very diverse professional background. I was unemployed from after Hurricane Katrina until Dec. ’08 when I was hired by Delgado Community College in New Orleans, for a Youth Training Grant position. I was Laid-Off Oct. ’09, because the program wasn’t awarded continuation funds (POLITICAL BULL S…), and am still unemployed 3 years later. Knowing people in position to hire is unfortunately Standard Operational Procedure and even with that, I am still being told “how IMPRESSIVE my background is and how OVERQUALIFIED I am”. Of course with extended unemployment I was unable to pay my monthly House Note, so I lost my home, after 26 years, to Foreclosure and became HOMELESS Mar.’12. AARP has helpful unemployment related articles but their focus is geared for Retirees who WANT Supplemental Income. The “Jobs” are hosted by Indeed and are usually expired. I need a FULL-TIME Financially Rewarding Position With BENEFITS. Check out the faces of AARP Staff to see if we are represented. I can say that I have seen Baby Boomer: THE NEW UNEMPLOYABLES!! articles on their site as well as Research results. I DO NOT SEE, HAVE NOT HEARD, and DO NOT FEEL any Proactive Efforts to Erase the ISM’S from OLDER WORKER ADVOCACY GROUPS. Nor have I seen companies identified that are committed to hiring older workers. I’m forced to RE-START, interested in a career change, looking for WIA funding, or OJT opportunities.
The Powers That Be NEED to KNOW and should UNDERSTAND that everybody in the Retirement Age Range CAN NOT RETIRE for a variety of reasons.

November 13, 2012 at 2:58 am
(184) Will B. Homeless says:

@Mrs grace: Ha ha!

On a more serious note, folks, God bless you all, and my prayers are with you, and for my brother and me as well. The world is upside down now, and we have to look out for one another as we cross paths. Trust in God is paramount, and if you don’t believe in, or trust God any longer, then at least believe in your own resiliency to get through the hard times still coming. Just take one day at a time, but do so for some of it out in public to let even small benefits occur. I’m also tempted to curl up in my room and stay here until I rot, but that outcome would be predictable…the world is unpredictable, and kind acts do take place. Soup kitchens, libraries, open-daily churches, and other non-affluent public places are safe and warm refuges for awhile, whereas malls, airports, restaurants, etc. just remind us how better off that others are, and I’ll be avoiding them like the plague. Hang in there, my newly-discovered brothers and sisters.

November 13, 2012 at 6:57 am
(185) Steve says:

all the comments raised above are all very well, but I still can’t get a job, and this is because I am too old, too experienced, and a threat to the younger employers!!
There is no solution, no hope, and no point… times end comes to us all….

November 13, 2012 at 10:08 pm
(186) Will B. Homeless says:

@(185) Steve: Steve, there’s always hope. We are going to have to downsize in a major way, and diminish our expectations a lot. This is more difficult for a family, but for singles, if you are such, more doable. Perhaps forget about white-collar work, and toss the experience/education albatross-around-the-neck. Make up a fake legend that can’t be refuted by employers, and perhaps consider moving to an area dependant on resource-type jobs – there are spin-off jobs there like cooking, auto/truck detailing, roofing, landscaping, painting, hotel work, etc. that are sometimes seasonal, but come around each year.

Social assistance and U.I. are usually easier to get there also because of the lack of good, full-time jobs, except for legal and health professionals, tradespersons, or those who have drag. One can often make new connections as one becomes known in these smaller areas (at the local diner, coffee shop, gym, church, etc.), and life is a heck of a lot less hectic and more predictable. I live in such an area, but my reputation has been ruined by false rumors and by outright slander from some close family members. So, I’ll be looking for another such area where I can start fresh, and will be immediately applying for social assistance to tide me over until I can get a humble existence and work happening. Last time, I blew $3,000 Cdn. of my own dwindling savings in a large city, but never again. Don’t do that!

November 13, 2012 at 10:12 pm
(187) Will B. Homeless says:

@(185) Steve: …continued…I still have hope that God will guide me through this dark valley, and will allow me to eventually find stimulating work, or self-employment. Check out gov’t programs for community colleges, uni’s, etc. Free uni tuition for full-time (3 or more full credits/yr.) undergrad (for example, entrepeneurship/co-op studies for $ until we drop), and grad. degrees (health or law are practical) for 60 or 65+ seniors is sometimes available. The stickler is having enough $ for food and a roof. Student medical should cover one’s meds, etc. Health care is a growing field, as is tourism/recreation for baby boomers (our luckier confreres).

Don’t give up hope or trust in God to get you through, even if you’re still on fire after this trial. Things will settle out, but perhaps at a different economic level. One still has one’s intellect, and the enjoyment derived from simple things, like nature, art, music, sports, and so on. Volunteerism may occur as gratitude for your rescue, but, whatever.

Hang in there!

November 14, 2012 at 7:12 am
(188) Steve says:

Hi Will B, Thank you for your thoughts, unfortunately I don’t have a God to seek, confide in or blame. I did once but I have grown older and wiser, I have a questioning mind and a free spirit. I don’t need an unknown or man invented solution to live life! However I am required to respond and work within the human developed system.
Life is what you make of it, it’s an experience, sure we are a creation with developed natural, survival mechanisms which with call human instincts. We have taken a world, and made it our own, put up fences, boundaries and rules. We have divided the world into controlled areas, humans are not free as once supposed. Not free to roam, walk, or talk and tap into natural resources to survive and live in peace? No not really you can only do that as part of the system part of society, nothing wrong in that until you are beyond the system thresholds, then things start to break down!
People naturally look for blame, but where can that blame reside? In ourselves? That’s a start!
Will B, you mean well and may your god always be at your side, I’m not about to call it a day… I will keep trying to remain in the system… and find work, be it writing a book, paint a picture, create or invent something, or work at a different economic level, we have a duty to ourselves to carry on, we all must, ageism is a fact of life, and part of the system that still needs to be resolved.

November 14, 2012 at 10:56 pm
(189) Will B Homeless says:

Hi Steve. My reply hasn’t shown up, so I’ll paraphrase it. The system is broken, and will stay so in our remaining years. Perhaps your creative job plans are not doable at first. I’ll be starting low, in spite of pundits urging us to “go for the gold”. Cash is king, and clean, in spite of how dirty our fingernails will become from labor. Yes, I’ll be starting where I began in 1971, but c’est la vie. Good luck!

November 16, 2012 at 6:20 pm
(190) Rich Fallis says:

I’m 55. In the past three years I have had two strokes, two heart-attacks, 4 heart surgeries including a triple by-pass. And to boot, I am an insulin dependent diabetic.

Naturally, people are lining up to see me.

And that’s the problem–with me–I’ve been applying for jobs and finding myself ignored. Mind you I don’t advertise my health-challenges and successes.

So I am going to take a new approach. I’m going to ignore the job boards, and the HR Depts, that use software keyword search engines to knock me out of contention without even calling me.

Based on my reading and experience, the best way is to find hiring managers and talk to them. Find out their needs and then see them in person with a solution to their problems. Get aquired, not hired.

Anyway, I’ll give it a go, and see where this approach takes me.

November 19, 2012 at 8:28 am
(191) dmanjusha says:

I don’t think that older people have less opportunities to work if they have kept up with the times. There are still jobs out there that don’t care at all what age you are. I work online using OpinionValue.in and they don’t really care about the age of its users.

November 21, 2012 at 8:12 am
(192) GA says:

I’m 62 and was involved in a RIF in October. I’ve applied to about 50 jobs so far. I was well qualified for most of them and was surprised when I was told that the job was given so someone else. It has to be my age. I’m starting to get depressed and considering a part time job and social security.

It helps to read the other comments and know I’m not the only one this is happening to.

November 21, 2012 at 5:26 pm
(193) Maureen says:

Being a woman of a certain age, 58, I can certainly relate to the predicament in which these people find themselves. I too have been unemployed for quite some time, 9 months to be exact. For the first four months of this 2012 I had a work-at-home working for one of those telecommuting companies. The pay was roughly 11.25 and hour. Gave it my best shot, worked diligently, until one day I was unable to access the live environment using my usual Username and password. I later contacted my Supervisor who advised me that there were a number of people terminated and that I was one of them because I may not have reached Sales Target and certain procedures were not followed. No real explanation was given. Instead of training and developing their contractors they fire them. This was a blessing in disguise and God was on my side . Yes, this was a job from hell and could be considered slave labor. To cut a long story short, I religiously do job searches for nutritional facilitators, 2 – 3 hours daily. After sending out scores of resumes with no response I finally applied for a part -time position and reconnected with someone with whom I had worked about 4 years ago. It so happened that he is the Operations Manager and a Trainer ,who is delighted to give me an opportunity to prove myself in his new business regardless of my age. My advice to all is never ever give up. You never know when you’ll make that awesome connection.

November 22, 2012 at 9:58 am
(194) RA says:

When I am interviewed for a position, they are courteous and interested. They are ecstatic that I have the experience I have. Then the proverbial, we will email you in a few days..That is the ultimate brush-off. A few months later, I see the same position opened up once again. What frustrates the hell out of me when they hire a younger individual without experience over myself or any others that have a life time of experience. We can mentor the young new hires. I’ve been on 6 interviews in the last few months. I’ve gotten callbacks on all 6. Then nothing! I checked out the restaurant, and they hired a much younger man without experience. I’m sure I will be reading the ad once again for the same position in a few months. What is a mature individual to do?

November 23, 2012 at 8:12 am
(195) GA says:

Earlier (192) I mentioned that I’m 62 years old. Well, I had worked for this company for 26 years and only had three or four years before retirement. They had been hiring young (right out of college) folks throughout the year to help out with additional requirements. Then one October day, they told about 30 to 40 people that “this is your last day to work here due to budget cuts”. We didn’t even have time to say goodbye to friends. We had to get out things and leave the building and not come back. Most of us were in our 50s and 60s.

This is so hard to accept and it’s been so hard to go on with my life. I’ve got to get through this. And I will with daily Bible reading and prayer. I’m not the only one this happening to and I’ll turn to my friends in my church for support.

Let’s all pray for each other. There are so many people in foreign countries (and here in the US) who have it worse than us. Let’s hang in there. We’ll find something eventually. It may even take us working as a volunteer somewhere that may lead to a job. But let’s don’t give up.

November 23, 2012 at 8:15 pm
(196) sistrkath says:

Love your humor Gary B. – I am 65 and job searching searching searching! And, I’d love some “fries with that.” Kat Administrative Assistant Office Manager Secretary!

November 23, 2012 at 9:11 pm
(197) sistrkath says:

Was doing great on the job for 1 and 1/2 years admin asst/office manager/some bookkeeping and then told firm (3 accountants and myself) was restructuring and that didn’t include me and that I can get my things and leave today is my last day. Within 1 week they had a new younger person at “my” desk and being trained to do what I did. I turned 65 the month prior. I have been searching and on interviews, 1st and 2nd interviews and then told position given to someone else. I have no medical benefits, will have next to nothing if I were to retire and am supporting some family members; unemployment running out soon. My contention is I was placed back into the unemployment line; this employer also received the tax credit offered to hire the unemployed ( I was unemployed when they hired me). I did a very good job and was never told I was doing anything wrong or given any warnings or that I should be doing more or better. I was and am a good, valuable employee with a high degree of personal integrity. My story sounds somewhat familiar. It is difficult; however, I do not want to let my pessimistic side get the best of me…or the depression. Waiting for the call that should be coming next week for a second interview…and on it goes!!! I need money! Food! Shelter! Heat! Electric! and clothes for my grandchild….employers do not think of that when they say “this is your last day; you can get your things and leave; just leave your key.” No one really knows who is hungry, who is living on a shoe string; family knows….friends know… but they do not want to offer help. So close to homeless and who can do anything about it?

November 25, 2012 at 9:20 pm
(198) Steve Matthews says:

I am 58 and just landed an IT job with a leading medical supply company. It took me 2 years to land this job as my former employer was about to let me go even though I had saved them millions of dollars. Now after 4 months I am getting rave reviews. So that is what will help this situation. I work hard, do whatever it is and more asked of me, accept new challenges, and add value from experience. The tips on trying to hide your age are ridiculous. You have to provide dates for graduation and that will ALWAYs give it away anyway. Indeed the resume should not date date back to the beginning and mine was only last 10 years. I also prayed a lot and had a good skill fit. Most people are not willing to move and this will be the real killer. I moved 70 miles from home but had full relocation.

November 27, 2012 at 7:27 pm
(199) Will B. Homeless says:

@sistrkath and other “throw-aways”: God bless you all. Trust in God is all that we have in this post-Christian, post-modern world, where sociopaths and/or cowards have been able to acquire positions of power in companies. Pray for deliverance from this present wicked time.

November 28, 2012 at 12:43 pm
(200) Denise says:

I was searching for some guidance regarding looking for a job after recently losing mine and found these posts. Mine was a reduction in force. Turned 60 in July, and lost my mother in August. I was told that I would be losing my job the week after I came back from her funeral. This was the day before I buried her. Job lasted until the first week in October during which my cousin who was like a sister had 2 brain aneurysms and then passed away the Monday after my last day on the job in October. I am a IT professional and have worked at network/helpdesk support for over 15 years. Have worked steadily since I went back to work in the early 80′s what with raising 4 children. I can take a computer apart and put it back together. I can troubleshoot and am good at all of the applications, but I am 60, short, over-weight and female. I have so far filled out 63 actual job applications and have had 7 interviews. All of the positions are for a lot less pay, but could make it workable in my situation. I read yesterday about someone who had plastic surgery to find a job. I can not disguise my age nor do I want to. Struggling to find a job and struggling to deal with all of the loses in my life. Just wanted to share.

December 1, 2012 at 10:55 pm
(201) Will B. Homeless says:

@(200) Denise: God bless you. Your struggles are many, and I’ll add you to my prayer intentions tonight. And, keep on loving yourself!

December 4, 2012 at 5:46 am
(202) Gordie Reid says:

I was interested and relieved to read the study on age discrimination in Australian workplaces and the study “The Elephant in the Room”. As a 51 year old early childhood and primary level teacher, I suspect my job applications, mostly rejected had something to do with my age. After almost 10 years working as an expatriate teacher in Malaysia, and previous to this I had 10 years teaching experience in Austrlaia, I returned to Melbourne. My presumption was that as a male in early childhood, I would be sought after. Considering this and my professional service at a school in Malaysia, I was turned down on many written applications. After 7 months trying in Melbourne, I registered as a teacher in Western Australia and promptly applied for many positions within early childhood and primary. Once again, I was rejected without interview. Over the course of my career, I have always made interview and more. After numerous rejections I contacted the recruiters, only to find many schools outsourced recruiting to HR organisations. I asked
for feedback from a couple of my failed applications and was told that I covered all bases in the selection criteria well but I had undersold myself. Considering my application letters averaged 5 to 6 pages, contained proactive evidence of my professional service and were well and truly written in the first person, I presumed I covered this. I couldn’t understand the rejections, especially when I regularly read about the lack of male educators in early childhood and primary. I gave up and have returned to my old job in Malaysia where the school requested I return. When I walked back into the school the parents cheered. That beats being constantly thrown in the rejected pile. I have a wonderful class of 4 year olds who are guided through their early lives with a 51 year old male teacher. For this, I give myself a tap on the shoulder. For Australian recruitment culture, I suggest they go back to the classroom for a refresher on real life.

December 5, 2012 at 4:05 pm
(203) ian says:

Lets get real …. All the so called recruitment agencies discriminate about age, and you are at the top of the pile until someone comes along who they think is better and you never hear from them again.
Sad but true. Parasites who are using you as their selling arm and most people are taken in. They dont care about you or your personal situation as all they are interested in how they can make money
Age discrimination has now got even worse as i have been asked for my passport and national insurance number never to hear again.
Everyone gets older but what i see at this moment is blatent discrimination and i would say that that older people are more reliable more professional and a lot more focused than than the youth.
It is about time the government really checked their so called policies and stopping immigration would help people here first rather than going outside the uk

Ian

December 6, 2012 at 3:48 am
(204) franklin says:

Re. researching & finding a job over 60+ is to change your date of birth – providing you look younger. Several people have successful found employment with this method. Keep fit & take courses.

December 11, 2012 at 7:48 am
(205) linda in ohio says:

RE: changing ur age.

You can’t change your age-All employers take a copy of your DL now even before hire to do background checks etc…..
ur BD is on ur DL at least here in OH.
Then if hired ur scoial needs to match ur BD. Any one ever heard of the word FRAUD.
even if u pull it off u will be fired once exsposed.
Good luck to everyone .

December 16, 2012 at 4:09 pm
(206) Robin says:

Deb, where would you suggest one takes those computer courses you took? I am in Los Angeles. Took a few many years ago but need to refresh and didn’t like the ones I took before. They just give you a copied packet and sit you at a computer and you do it yourself for almost $1000 per MS Product.

December 17, 2012 at 8:12 am
(207) Teddy Burriss says:

Robin – check you local Community Colleges – they are a great resource for lots of training, even job search skills.

Regarding Age Discrimination – you can overcome discrimination thru conversations. Stop applying for jobs and instead start meeting people. Once the recruiter and/or hiring manager realizes who you are, what skills and passion you have, the age issue dissolves. It’s not easy to do and may be real hard for some – but learn to Network properly and you’ll find that job and get it.

Networking and getting to know people on your journey of job search is how you will succeed. Applying online with people/companies who don’t know you creates total failure.

Great discussion folks.

December 18, 2012 at 7:56 pm
(208) Bev says:

Unfortunately, in this internet age, potential employers can google applicants and find out their ages before inviting any applicants to interview. And many of them simply will not bother to interview anyone over a certain age. It doesn’t matter how carefully you trim your resume, if the employer googles you and sees immediately that you’re well over fifty, your chances of getting invited to interview are nil. Then there are the on-line applications where the only way to apply is to fill out all the little boxes which always include questions about one’s undergraduate degree including the year it was granted. When you have no choice but to put down that you got your B.S. in the early 1970′s, you might as well quit.

December 19, 2012 at 2:32 pm
(209) Cat says:

My story isn’t so much age, although I’m sure being a 33 year-old woman doesn’t help. I’m frustrated both at life and myself. Got a PhD in Psychology and then lived in Japan to learn Japanese. Where I’ve gone wrong is that I didn’t get any commercial experience when I could and should have. Anyway, tried to get such experience in Japan but couldn’t, now been back in the UK for 7 months without success. Can’t go back into academia (tried), there aren’t many public sector jobs and obviously not getting any invites for jobs in business. I did try doing door-to-door sales and gave up after a week – it’s horrible.
On the plus side, I’m able to live at home and am helping someone set up a company so at least I can put something on my CV. But I’m so sick of being ignored. When I have had interviews, the interviewers have been hostile, arrogant and scoffed at me for going to Japan. Some don’t even bother to tell you that you didn’t get the job. It’s pathetic and totally disrespectful! HR personnel need a proper kick in the ass!!

December 21, 2012 at 9:55 am
(210) Scoots says:

I am a older worker in my 60′s. I worked 27 years in the medical field in trauma medicine all those years. The patients were our first concern and now I can not find a job in the medical field, even mopping floors. I have applied over and over for positions that I am qualified for and am always told that I did not meet the job requirements for the position. I even called the HR on one job that I applied for and was turned down and told that wanted someone who had Emergency Medical Tech experience and when I told them I had this experience, they hung up on me. It comes down to the fact that they have no place for older workers in the medical field and they are hiring the young workers who have no experience of the job, no concern for the patients, and could care less if they do the job correctly. I believe this is the reason the health care system is so messed up because they only care about the bottom dollar and hiring someone that will work for less and give no concern about the people that are taking care of. I even applied at McDonald’s trying to find a job and was told I did not qualify for the job so when I went by that McDonald’s to get a coffee, they hired people who could not speak English at all and the customers were walking out because the employees did not know how to except the customers order for food. I can understand why this country is in trouble and we need to start doing something about it. The only thing I can say is if you have a love one go to the hospital, make sure you protect them because the hospital corporate will not.

December 21, 2012 at 1:03 pm
(211) Suze says:

I have been looking for a job since 2009. I will be 60 in February, and have this sinking feeling that I am too old for anyone to even consider. I am depressed and discouraged. I write content online, but it doesn’t even pay enough for the Internet provider. I’ve had the cable and land line cut off, and I don’t know what is next. I can’t even get social security yet and I’ve gone through my retirement. It’s a horrible feeling.

December 22, 2012 at 1:11 am
(212) Jennifer says:

Most HR ignore me because I am young and have little experience. I’ve had a busing job over the summer while still in HS but they went out of business 4 months later. So I focused on school and in the summer my grandmother got sick so I took care of her while my parent’s worked. They put her in a home(wanted me in college). I wanted to take out loans to cover the college bill but my parents told me that they’d pay it. I told them it’d be too much but I agreed and thought they knew what they were talking about. They didn’t have enough and even with a part-time job I couldn’t pay it, so I moved back home. I looked for a job but failed. It was the dead of winter and everything is seasonal here. My parents threw me out of their house 2 months later because I didn’t have a job. I stayed at my uncles until I got a cashiering job a month later when the season began. I saved up money and moved into a house with roommates I thought I could trust but ended up paying for all of the food/electric/gas(spent all their money on booze except their half of the rent). So most of my money I saved went out the window. To make matters worse, I was told my job was year-round when I got hired but got laid off anyway (only for managers) so the landlord told me to leave since I “couldn’t hold down a job”, which is entirely inaccurate. I’m back at my uncle’s looking for a job in the winter. I’m a good worker and reliable. I’m the only cashier they’ve called back when it gets busy; they’ve only just started to though (the holiday crowd). I applied for UI and was told I was ineligible because the way they split up the weeks was in the middle of my working, so I didn’t have enough. I was told to refile next yearin January. My uncle got laid off 3 weeks ago and his UI stops the end of the month(has to reapply. We don’t have any incoming money. I have not given up, I won’t until I literally cannot anymore but it would be nice to have something work out for once.

December 28, 2012 at 9:13 am
(213) HarleyEglide58 says:

Is there age discrimination you bet however you cant let that get you down.Its there loss not yours and alot of the times that younger candidate quits on them in a few weeks. Dont give up theres a place for you makinsg a lil less money perhaps but a good fit perhaps.

December 28, 2012 at 11:58 am
(214) Julie says:

I am 56 and have had about five interviews in the last year. They are interested in me enough to see me a second time, but then the job is offered to someone else. I don’t know how much more rejection I can take. There’s never an explanation why I wasn’t selected.

December 28, 2012 at 2:48 pm
(215) lana says:

I am not American born but I am already citizen of the US. When I begin my life in this country I had to take any job to try to survive. All the jobs I have done in the past 11 years where low pay, only part-time jobs with no benefits and they never lasted more then 6 month and then they will find a stupid excuse to get rid of you when they don’t need you anymore. You really have to know someone to get you in. It is impossible to find full time job even with minimum wage, and all this part time position do not want to work out with your schedule so you can have another part time job. Tell me how can you live on 20 hours a week with minimum wage ???
I kept diary how many jobs I have applied withing 1 year and it was over 200. I spend so many nights without sleep, trying to fill up this stupid electronic application forms, I made so many phone calls asking about the job and all I got is unwelcome voice who hang up on me or answer machine and never get call back. I have gone to job agency and it was complete waste of time. My last job I had to take janitor cleaning big, messy church where I completely destroyed my back and go through the night mare with l&I insurance company. Since it is non-profit organization they don’t pay unemployment taxes and you know what does it mean after you loose a job. You on a street. Churches don’t care you are dead poor and have no place to sleep. All they will tell you: ” God Bless You”, come back when you have a chunk of $.
It is so easy to end up to be homeless in this country UNFAIRLY. All power belongs to corporate and we are nothing more then just their slaves.
It’s all about greed, greed, greed and pretty words from a greedy people.
People need to learn how to live in peace and harmony with each other and exchange their work like old generation did. We need to realize that simple living is THE BEST.

P.S. I want republicans out !

December 29, 2012 at 12:15 am
(216) Lisa of the EEOC says:

I’ve read a bunch of comments here from people who are 40+ years and have been even told they are “too old” in a job interview and I am appalled. Why don’t you all take this to the EEOC where I work. There is a law that protects you called The Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967.

A recent case: A 41 year old woman was denied a position in April 2012 in which she was qualified for. The interviewer told her that he was looking for a “younger” candidate and, (without even knowing), hired the applicant’s 20 year old daughter for the same job. The EEOC office had the business investigated and the company mediated and settled with the older woman for $100,000. Her information and case is on the EEOC website. Please look it up.

Please don’t just give up. There are TONS of EEOC cases won for age discrimination in hiring. Don’t let these employers get away with calling you “too old”. File a complaint with the EEOC, gather your evidence and sue if you have to.

December 29, 2012 at 3:38 am
(217) Graham says:

It’s all about Company culture. Company cultures that respect and value the wisdom that comes with a well served, progressive career are generally the robust, consistently well performing companies. We wouldn’t want to work for any other type of company would we?

December 29, 2012 at 3:08 pm
(218) Bob Prosen says:

The traditional way of getting hired no longer works.

So stop sending your resume to any and everyone. Everything you do has to be customized to the company and the hiring manager. If not, you won’t stand out or get that all-important interview.

Companies hire people to solve problems (both positive and negative). Your ability to uncover your target employers problems and position yourself as the solution is what will get you hired.

Here are just a few potential problem areas. Completing projects on time and on budget, improve product quality, improve customer service, increase sales, reduce costs, enhance online marketing, etc.

Now here’s the good news. There are jobs for grads if you know how to find them!

I’m working with three Ohio State University seniors to help them get the job they want upon graduation.

On this week’s conference call I showed them how to zero in on the job they want and to locate companies with those positions. They were amazed to see all of the opportunities.

Next week we’ll complete our analysis of the target companies to learn as much about them as possible.

These soon to be grads are making exceptional progress.

Bob Prosen
CEO
The Prosen Center
for Business Advancement

December 29, 2012 at 3:13 pm
(219) Bob Prosen says:

The traditional way of getting hired no longer works.

So stop sending your resume to any and everyone. Everything you do has to be customized to the company and the hiring manager. If not, you won’t stand out or get that all-important interview.

Companies hire people to solve problems (both positive and negative). Your ability to uncover your target employers problems and position yourself as the solution is what will get you hired.

Here are just a few potential problem areas. Completing projects on time and on budget, improve product quality, improve customer service, increase sales, reduce costs, enhance online marketing, etc.

Now here’s the good news. Older workers have a lot more experience and a proven track record for solving problems.

If you let age be a barrier to your success you’ll struggle overcoming it. Instead, use it to your advantage.

Bob Prosen
CEO
The Prosen Center
for Business Advancement

December 29, 2012 at 9:36 pm
(220) Sarah says:

Ok, now I am completely depressed. I have read through all these comments and I agree with them completely.

I am a science and math teacher and – cannot find a job! I know, that seems very weird but there it is. I switched from medicine back to teaching because I used to like it when I was 25. But now I am 52 and it’s very different. The kids are very different, the administration is different and it’s hard working with a ‘senior’ teacher who is 30.

I have a huge background in science and am a good teacher, but the best I have gotten so far has been a school in a town two hours away that wanted me to come and be a substitute for an indefinite period of time. When I told them that I wasn’t able to completely move to the city two hours away without any guarantee of a permanent job, they got upset. They kept saying: we would like you to come and be a substitute while we get the paperwork in order to hire you on contract. I have been in touch with them for two months, I know it takes about an hour to put together a contract.

I am a good chemistry and biology teacher, with an advanced degree in the sciences. I just cannot sign on as a substitute for $75 a day when I know the job should be paying a real wage and contract. And with no commitment from the school? while they continue to interview other teachers? That’s insulting.

Everything is so intensely competitive and I find that people reject me before they even meet me, with no knowledge about who I am. It is horrible and feels awful.

Just like others, I used to be the shining star and people would always tell me how good I was and what a fantastic worker I was. Now – nothing.

I also thought that teaching would be a sure thing, but boy I was really wrong. Don’t know what I am going to do – overqualified and hungry, not a good combination. And these dang computer applications – they take hours and hours !!!

December 30, 2012 at 4:36 am
(221) Kevin says:

All of this a real eye opener…

58 Y/O, and feeling like we are all on a generational precipice the width of the Continental Divide…

Despair, Anger, Resentment just a few sentiments represented here, but given the world we grew up in and the immense advantages we have enjoyed compared to others around the globe, I find myself wondering why there are so few ideas offered here to help one another(?)

So here are a few…

(1) Start every new day with a selfless promise that you will help someone less fortunate than you , no matter how desperate your circumstances. Make sure you follow through on your promise, and Write It Down! A day, a week,a month…and pretty soon you will be feeling much better about what you have contributed to others, rather than what others have granted you…

(2) Go to the library. Engage your mind, research the history that has occurred up until this very moment…you will surely see that mankind has always answered the threat of distinction and demise with a greater will to survive and prevail.

(3) Pare down your possessions to basic essentials…food, clothing and shelter . Only after you have freed your mind of worries over those can you think clearly about what else in your life truly matters or is a necessity.

(4) Do not be afraid to ask others for help, but only to the extent that you are willing to give more of yourself to them than you are asking in return.
Help them solve their problems, contribute to their “bottom line”, take worries off of others’ shoulders and you will be blesses with many, many benefits in return.

(5) Rediscover your “spiritual self”… And become an example to others…tis better to give, than to receive…do unto others…etc, etc.

(6) Keep a diary of your progress…you will be amazed at how quickly you will feel better, regain your spirit, think mostly positive thoughts, etc.

December 30, 2012 at 9:43 pm
(222) G-rose says:

After reading these comments and seeing how many. I think that many “have” been discriminated against because of age and that “new employment laws” need to be put into place to protect older workers. This is a major problem and must be addressed soon.
Also I dislike (CEO) Mr. Prosen comments and think them as no more than employer propaganda. Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of persons towards a position by presenting only one side of an argument. Propaganda is usually repeated and dispersed over a wide variety of media in order to create the chosen result in audience attitudes.

December 31, 2012 at 2:18 am
(223) ritarosie says:

At the age of 50, I was unemployed for three years. We lived in the dark for three months because of no funds. My child and myself, lived in darkness. I remember my child asking, “How come your not mad mommy? and replied “There are people who have it worse then us. It’s going to be alright.” We prayed.
We visited food pantries for food, and clothing which I must confess was difficult to do due to pride. But when your child is hungry you do what you have to do. It was a church who offered food and the agency who helped with the light bill.
I was unemployed for three years, and at the end of my rope on the verge of foreclosure proceedings. I had completed applications at Wal-Mart, McDonalds and a office job. I finally got a call that I was hired after one interview for the office job. I typed 70wpm with only one mistake, I took their tests and passed. The pay is only 11.00 an hour, which I made when I had graduted from high school. But, I was so desperate I accepted it, as it included benefits. I called the bank, we made arrangements and caught up on the mortgage.
I must confess, there was a period of time when I felt so bad I could not get out of bed. But, I knew that I could not give up, despite the setbacks in cold interviews.
Just don’t give up.

January 1, 2013 at 12:42 am
(224) Christine Willis says:

I am 55yrs old I try every day to find work, but to no avail. I am as we older workers are experienced,hardworking,reliable . I do however realise that of course the younger workers have to work as well. But it becomes quite depressing,when you try so hard to find any kind of work but get nothing for your efforts. And I know that I am not alone with this, Wouldn’t it be great to have an Agency only finding work for us. A lot of Employment Agencies Advertise for Workers, We Apply but get know where. They cannot tell us that we are too old, We go to an Interview or many, Agencies have nearly 20 ) percent or more of work.. Anyway I and us will keep trying .What else can we do.

January 1, 2013 at 9:02 pm
(225) Jerry says:

You were probably rejected because of your writing skills, not your age. Now I will be the first to say age discrimination is alive and doing quite well in spite of laws prohibiting it. People who do interviews know all the rules of what to say and what not to say. I am approaching 70 very soon. I worked 38 years straight and was never unemployed. But once you quit a job or lose a job, it is almost impossible to be hired again after age 60 even with an impeccable resume.

Email and the internet have all but destroyed any chance of a personal interview after a certain age. I interviewed hundreds of people back when I had a job. And I assure you that the style of writing at the beginning of this article would have been thrown in the trash without reading past the first three words. I would have probably rejected it just because it was in all capital letters without even reading one word. With a stack of perfect resumes a foot tall, why would I even take 10 seconds to read it? Like it or not, literacy is important when you are competing with thousands of other well qualified people.

Actually, you are technically competing with the whole world these days. I lived in China for five years fairly recently. You have no idea how incredible their job skills are. English is a required course. These people work so hard in school. Remember that they outnumber our population four to one. Their top 25% is equal to the entire population of the United States. Think about that for a moment.

January 1, 2013 at 9:12 pm
(226) Jerry says:

The people in China and the Philippines are extremely motivated to work. This is some very stiff competition. You wonder why jobs are being outsourced? It is very obvious why. They work for much lower wages. I know it is rather unpopular to say this, but Americans are way over paid. I have been to the Philippines a lot, too. They speak English and work very hard for $150 per month – with a college degree. Yes, that’s correct, no mistake. Not many fat people there. They go to bed hungry quite often. They are highly motivated to eat.

January 2, 2013 at 12:26 am
(227) Sheila says:

I love these comments about Americans being overpaid. Is that why so many live paycheck to paycheck? It is very expensive to live here!!!

To the person who let everyone know that times have changed, yeah, we ALL know that. We ALL know how to target resumes, we are NOT idiots.

The fact of the matter is that age discrimination does exist. Older (over the age of 40) workers have the toughest time finding a job. It is DISCRIMINATION pure and simple. Most people over the age of 40 are part of the computer age. They don’t need training like the media says. The media portrays us like we are a bunch of nimrods who don’t know anything. It doesn’t help. It was the generation before us who invented technology as we know it.

I am 50. A computer programmer. I can hard code in various computer languages, which is something most younger people can’t do. I was laid off in October 2011 due to lack of revenue on my employers part. I haven’t been able to find a job since. I don’t allow my age to hold me back, potential employers do that for me.

I have had to file bankruptcy because my creditors froze my bank accounts. I lost my house to foreclosure to a mortgage company that refused my payments because of my bankruptcy. Now I have another reason for employers not to hire me.

“Any” job won’t hire me because I am overqualified and yes, they have told me this.

What am I suppose to live on???? I have kept a positive attitude and am now trying to start my own company. I have no choice. I am obviously not going to find a job. I am too old.

January 4, 2013 at 10:08 am
(228) Rose-coloured Glasses says:

I have been sitting here for over half an hour reading your responses wondering whether I have made the right decision leaving a good job to change careers. Having been in administration my whole life I decided this year, at 50, to return to university and obtain a degree in social work, and then a Masters after that if I can. I will be 57 when I finish. I thought there would still be work in social services even for my age group. Now…I’m not so sure. My husband works in IT for a firm in CA but as he says, he does everything he is asked to do without question because if he loses his job, at 49 he would find it hard to find another, despite his extensive skills and experience. Note that we currently live in Australia (he works remotely) and had plans of returning to the US. Maybe we need to rethink that. All the very best to all of you; your courage is incredible and indeed those who reject your applications don’t see what they have lost.

January 4, 2013 at 2:56 pm
(229) JG says:

I would agree that literacy and communication skills, both written and verbal are important in finding a position. Interviewers also want to hear that you are always willing to take instruction and that you are cooperative and supportive. Networking is above all, the single most important aspect for finding employment-it’s not what you know but who you know-rings very true. If you continue to network, keep looking, stay grounded, take a risk or two if you have to (travel further than you want, take a non guaranteed part time position, work as a volunteer with some future opportunity for a paid spot, etc.) and continue to pray for the best outcome, you will find a job. I don’t mean you might find a job I mean you will find a job.

January 5, 2013 at 12:35 pm
(230) ann says:

The young people are lazy and dumb think you supose to pay them for nothing, they want to get paid , but they do not want to work and they are unmotivated and uneducated.

January 7, 2013 at 2:45 am
(231) Sean says:

I am 31 years old and will be graduating with a BA in Liberal Studies with a concentration in economics and a AA in Accounting this summer and I have to say you people make it all seem so bleak. We are living in truly horrific time indeed. As someone younger and who hasn’t faced these problems I have to ask why haven’t a lot of you who are fed up mobilized?
Why aren’t you protesting in front of your local congress?
Unfortunately you’re unemployed but also have free time. I’ve always been told that politicians listen to your demographic more than anyone else’s since you are the group most likely to vote. Maybe it’s time to make them listen, not only for yourselves but for your children because I don’t know if you’re aware but nearly HALF of recent college grads are unemployed. Not underemployed working part time but UNEMPLOYED. So something has got to give. Either we become the patriots that founded and made this country great or we lay down and take it up the *** from the corporate masters. If want suggestions, for one STOP BUYING FOREIGN MADE CHEAP CRAP. Just stop don’t think about it just stop. We need to start initiating good old fashion boycotts because while I know a lot of you are regrettably without incomes I know that what little resources you do have a lot of you are spending that money at places that engage in the disgusting hiring practices that you are complaining about. So that means NO MORE WALMART, NO MORE MCDONALDS, NO MORE TARGET, no more of any of it. As long as there is a plot of land and seeds to grow stuff people can eat if we commit to helping one another. As long as there are blankets and tents and old cars people will find shelter. I am by no means saying this is ideal or the way it should be, but its time more of us become crafty and start fighting back. Complaining has never gotten a single thing done only action creates a reaction.

January 7, 2013 at 5:35 pm
(232) L says:

Hope Jerry was being cute about Chinese and Filipino workers. Us Americans have to big a tax burden for a buck and a half a month.

January 9, 2013 at 4:22 am
(233) aurasie weheragoda says:

my husband is a steel structural engineer who is working in bangladesh and got a degree in steel structures and civil engineering in singapore national university. we are searching a job relevant to that area from canada, america and australia with family visa.i have a daughter and a son who is 18 years and 15 years old.i pray and hope that this web sit will help us to get my husband a good job oppertunity .i assure you that he is very hard working and a genuine person who will look after his job very well.

January 10, 2013 at 9:51 am
(234) Lizb says:

Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton. John Boehner, Mitt Romney, john Kerry… And the list goes on, all considered young enough for the most important jobs in America. No wonder politicians don’t do more to fight age discrimination. They never experience it themselves.

January 10, 2013 at 12:04 pm
(235) MJ says:

I’m 53 and moved back home to the USA after an extended residency in another country, where I worked a good job and made great career strides. I thought that my international experience, excellent professional references and excellent track record would help to land me a job in record time. After all – don’t companies value skills and experience? Wouldn’t they be excited to have someone on board with a broad perspective on international business? Apparently not. And it’s not like the jobs aren’t there. I’ve applied for more than 300 jobs in seven months, had nine or more face to face interviews (and most of these, I thought went very well), and the only offer I got was after doing some holiday temp work for a department store at $8 an hour. I can’t support my family on that.

I’ve done everything I can think of to market myself. I’ve got my own website, got business cards printed up, done networking, spent my savings on a car to make sure I could get around and built up a decent wardrobe, revised my resume for every job I’ve applied for, and tailored all of my cover letters. I’m good looking, have a nice personality, am outgoing and have a good sense of humor – but this job market is killing even that.

I’ve registered with several tech/temp companies who put me forward for contract jobs. I have yet to be asked to an interview. I’m not even sure I would be able to sponsor my spouse to live here on a contract salary, and I’m sure no bank will give me a mortgage with no income guarantee. I’m looking at spending the rest of my life living overseas, away from all of my family, because I can’t support myself here. And they call the USA the land of opportunity? Maybe if you’re 21 and great at BS, or an illegal immigrant. But for someone born and raised here? Toss a coin and pray hard.

January 10, 2013 at 8:18 pm
(236) Dana says:

I wonder if anyone has started an appeal or a petition yet in the White House web site for new employment laws to be enacted to address this concern. While I understand the nature of competition when searching for a job, what I don’t understand is why we should carry this burden and the shame. This a real blockade that is keeping fully qualified, experienced, and educated citizens from getting re-employed.

It’s a cause worth fighting for, because this is our life, and if this nation will live up to the true bearing of democracy, then write an appeal, gather 25,000 petitions, and let’s hear the administration’s point of view about age discrimination in the hiring process.

January 14, 2013 at 4:05 pm
(237) Karol says:

2 years ago I closed my business because of the down turn in the economy. I thought that having owned a business for 15 years that I would have no trouble finding a job. Little did I know. I can’t even get an interview at McDonalds, Walmart, or worse yet one in my related field.
One factory did hire me and let me go after 10 days saying I wasn’t a good fit. I was totally shocked. But being the oldest lady at 59 and the coworkers were mostly in their 20′s I guess I didn’t fit. I thought I was doing a good job and was liked by the young employees. I just don’t get it.
I thought age discrimination was against the law.
Why did my 17 year old son get a call from KMart within hours of applying online and was hired on part time. I had applied earlier without them getting back to me.
I’m looking for anything whether it’s part or full time to help pay bills.

January 15, 2013 at 7:58 am
(238) Ray says:

I read a lot of your posts. (as well as I could with my “advanced age”) and it took me a little bit to process into my “aged” brain to the point of comprehension. As my “aged and oh so slow typing skills due to my advanced age” jots these things down. (hardy, har, har!).
Your stories sound so similar to my own circumstances. Although no one I have spoken to when I go for acquiring a position has stated it…..all seems to go well until we get to the point of my age. Or I have heard lip service afforded to, “why are you not asking for more money with this vast experience and knowledge you have!!” I get it from them….resume is great……..I’ve dotted all my “i’s” and crossed my “t’s”. Great experience………BUT………..no further job discussion. Even if I call to do a follow up on how its going. Nothing. Zilch. The excitement of a prospect stops there. I spent a lifetime as you all have under the ethic of, “hardwork will get you somewhere”. “you need more experience”. “get better educated”. “be honest”, “Maintain integrity”, “lead by example”, “loyalty”, “be responsible”, “REAL teamwork (not the watered down example I have seen lately). “take pride in your work” ………. amongst some things. Well…….I’m not going to give those things up. Screw that. BUT. still raising a family and yes…..medical issues in my family with a means to take care of it??? EVEN though I am MORE than willing to take on a challenge and WORK?? no.

January 17, 2013 at 1:09 pm
(239) Jessie says:

I am in my 50′s and also cannot find a job. I was laid off in 2004 from a Fortune 500 company which is now bankrupt. In between 2004 and presently, my elderly parents and an older brother were all ill and passed away.

In 2011, I went back to school to update my administrative assistant skills. I graduated at the top of the class and my grades were outstanding. I did take a job in the mental ward of a hospital, but that was a scary place to work and not for me. I have an impressive resume and experience and still nobody wants me. I have had a few interviews, but no offers. The sad part is I really do not look my age. Most people think I am in 40′s, but I guess these companies don’t even want people in their 40′s.

I really don’t know what I’m going to do. I’ve exhausted all of my savings and will probably lose my home and be homeless. I am scared to death.

January 17, 2013 at 2:37 pm
(240) D looking but not finding says:

Going on an interview over 60 is very humbling and reminiscent of the 1974 job crisis. The prospective employer is looking to hire much younger to pay half of what they envision paying a much older, more experienced professional. I am looking at ways to retire by cutting back on expenses and living on my retirement (social security and a few pensions) which will net less than half of what I have been making. I’m glad at least that I have those resources to fall back on and can make my way with less and be much happier with a simpler life style. Color me gone from the job jungle.

February 19, 2013 at 11:17 am
(241) Janice says:

I totally agree with you! I am now 48. Im good looking and fit for my age. I am single. Since 2008 I have found very little work in canada. Im in ottawa. I also have 2 friends close to my age who cant find work. I do find it odd when I do find a job that a 22 year old is made the supervisor over me or even someone in their 30s! In my day if you were 22 u stayed at the bottom and the mature women were the supervisors always always because they were the smartest, most experienced and most mature. I do find it easier to work with young males than females. With the young females I always ahve a problem but so do so many of my friends they are so disrespectful to us, treat us like were are stupid and act like they know more – its almost the way the blacks were treated 30 years ago!! I know a woman who was in tears with a young boss who would monitor her every move!

February 20, 2013 at 4:16 pm
(242) CRYSTAL D says:

HI IM SO UPSET IN TRYING TO GET A JOB IM OVER 40 I BEG TO THESE SUPERVISOR’S AND I GET NO WERE AT ALL I DON’T NO WHAT TO DO ANYMORE OR WHO TO TURN TO SCHOOL I WAS IN THAT WAS A FRAUD SCHOOL JUST WANTED MY AID MONEY PEOPLE SAY KEEP YOUR HEAD UP AND KEEP THE FAITH YOU CAN’T TELL THE BILL COLLECTER THAT THEY WANT MONEY NOT EXCUSE’S

February 20, 2013 at 7:14 pm
(243) sylvia says:

When I am looking for customers I ask myself…how do I say it to appeal to the consumers needs. On a job search I would ask myself ,,, what are the priorities and how do I best meet the needs of my potential employer?
As a business owner I can tell you that more important than skills is attitude. I truly do not care how old or what color or what religion or country someone is from but I definitely avoid people who seem to feel that the world owes them something…that they have been somehow denied. That are full of excuses on how their lack of success is someone elses fault. Experience has shown that an entitlement attitude like that is a sure indicator of trouble ahead.
Perhaps the thing between people who believe themselves well qualified and the job they didn’t get is not some protected category, but their attitude that the world owes them something. I consider it an honor when I hire someone and entrust them with the care of an aspect of the business that I have given my energy and spirit to build. I am an employer that would rather settle for lesser qualifications than suffer through the drama of an “entitled” employee. You can’t get rid of them without damage, so you con only protect yourself by not getting involved with them to begin with..
If you feel you are being treated unfairly perhaps you can benefit by looking at the image you put forward and evaluating if you are somehow sending the wrong message. If you put out 1000 resumes and no one is interested…maybe look at what that resume is projecting.
The joy is in the journey, you get what you expect.

February 21, 2013 at 4:27 pm
(244) Bmap says:

Good advice, Sylvia. As a small business owner for 11 years, it was always a costly and exhaustive effort to find people who were talented and humble, strong and not desperate.
That said, I’m now on the other side of it since I had to close my business because my clients stopped spending money.. Now it’s been 9 months sending out resumes, and only getting a couple of interviews, which didn’t pan out, despite doing my best with the above. I do wonder if it’s because I’m 48.
With my house in foreclosure, I am doing what I can to stay positive, and even alleviating my fear by considering how I would handle worse case scenarios. I own my car, so I know if I get evicted I’ll at least have a place to sleep. I know where there are soup kitchens, so I know I won’t go hungry. I’m in good health, so I don’t need meds. I know of places where I can bathe/shave, etc.
Not sure what the future holds, but I’m trying to see it as an adventure, perhaps something I can tell my grand kids someday.

February 22, 2013 at 1:05 pm
(245) Merv says:

All of the above is quite depressing and, as sorry as I am to say, reflect reality. There is age discrimination. It’s no explicit, as that would be illegal, but the truth is that they find all kinds of ways to stop older folks coming in, starting with the “maximum” experience – frequently between 3 to 5 years, or something that would make sure older people would not get a look in.

I think people in our age group of 55 plus should be retired enjoying life, or if that is not possible should be trying to put our knowledge and experience to good use. Unfortunately, that requires capital and many of us might have the additional challenge of find money to get something started, even as we might be trying to make ends meet. Good luck to all.

Merv

February 22, 2013 at 5:58 pm
(246) Frank says:

God bless you, Latigo. Your kind of thinking will go a long way. I enjoyed reading your post #6.

February 22, 2013 at 6:58 pm
(247) lovingsunnyflorida says:

In response to (243) Sylvia. I would like to know what brought you to this site? Please believe you are very rare in your hiring practices. Do not assume everyone who are drowning in their sorrows on this site display the same in their attitude or on their resumes. Most simply are looking to see if they are alone out there. I personally have an excellent background in administration, glowing letters of recommendation and awards to boot. I always give a professional and upbeat appearance when I do get an interview, which are far and few between. But I believe you are being very naive in your assumptions about what is going on in many HR departments. Being 55 years old with a wealth of experience it is pretty hard to dumb yourself down in addition to not revealing your age – as every application I have completed somehow gets around to your age. I would suggest you open your eyes and listen to some of us and maybe even express a little empathy.

I personally was not let go from a job but had to voluntarily leave my position because my husband was let go and we had to move to where the new job took us – leaving our family behind! In addition my husband after establishing his career over 35 years had to settle for huge cut in pay. many of us are not only dealing with finding employment but realizing our retirement dreams are being challenged and only can hope we can get by after a life-time of being responsible and saving. The economy has also hurt our savings drastically. Leaving our children behind when family means so much is extremely hard. So, Slyvia we do have a great deal on our minds and have earned to complain and cry a little. I hope you never have to go through the experience that so many of us are.

Best to all.

February 22, 2013 at 7:44 pm
(248) lovingsunnyflorida says:

To (236) Dana and the others who speak about marching on the White House and enacting new employment laws. Please tell us how that law would read? “Hire the old or else?” Is the government going to create jobs that pay us the $40-$100 K we were making before? Lives have been shattered here and you want that same government to help us “poor” souls? Give me a break. If the government would not have intruded into our lives we wouldn’t be in this mess. Just remember every dollar the “government” spends is OUR money (or China’s.)

I would like to add that there are some employers who will hire us, but at the same pay we made when we started working in our 20′s & 30′s, but what the same work as when we made much much more. Instead of hiring workers from other countries, why not hire us?

And one more thing. I am really tired of the younger generation telling us to keep up with technology. You have no clue what you are talking about. You might be able to move your thumbs on the tiny keypad to speak in incomplete sentences to your 100′s of so-called friends. But I have yet to experience, but a handful, who can accomplish half of the results that I do in a day at work. I was brought up in the age of computers and oh yeah i can write a sentence, reason, multitask, and bring dollars to the bottom-line. I show up to work early and “work” the entire day I am being paid, all without complaint. I am frustrated.

March 1, 2013 at 1:27 pm
(249) cathy says:

i am in much the same predicament as most of the other writers – laid off in 2011 – still searching for full-time work. i now do very part-time work at resetting merchandise – very cheap labor and not very reliable (check out NARMS website, it’s national – for resetting employers)
also – - – here is a website for older workers that may be helpful to some of you here – - – http://www.seniorjobbank.org
good luck to all of you.

March 1, 2013 at 3:30 pm
(250) Jeanne says:

I just turned 61. After being ‘downsized’ from a $60k per year job in 2010, I have applied for over a thousand jobs. I have excellent skills, experience and work ethic. Age discrimination has saturated our society and no one gives a damn except those of us that are the victims.

March 1, 2013 at 7:33 pm
(251) Over Qualified Under Achiever says:

I have several stories of outrage experienced during my employment search and have to share this one.

A soon to open local wine bar advertised for a General Manager.

During college, I worked in several positions that qualified me to apply for the position. Given this background and 28 years as a Senior Manager with large Architecture / Engineering firms, I put together what I though was a pretty impressive cover letter.

Well, the owners of the new wine bar did too. They informed me that I wasn’t qualified for the position and immediately removed their want ad from the Florida Employment network and replaced it with the text from my cover letter, word for word.

March 2, 2013 at 10:03 pm
(252) Carmen630331 says:

I am 63 years of age, and have been in the workforce for over 45 years. I guess my biggest problem has been believing in honesty, and always trying to do the right thing. After being out of work from mid-2008 until early 2011, I found a management job with a well-known, national healthcare provider. I worked very hard and was, through accolades and recognition, an asset to the organization. Within my 8th month on the job, I discovered a very tidy payroll fraud scheme perpetrated by a peer and some of her direct reports. I came across the situation because I was expected to approve my peer’s payroll report while she was on a leave of absence.

Well, I made the mistake of reporting it to the Director as well as our HR department, who promptly informed those involved, and within 30 days, my life was made a living hell at the company through unbelievable retaliatory tactics, and by September 2012, I was out of a job. Naturally, the company is stating that my termination had nothing to do with my reporting of the wrongdoing, the subsequent retaliation which neither HR or the Director would address, or the Director’s anger at me for bringing the matter into the light in the first place.

The irony is that the perpetrators still work at the company, and have done so for over 10 years each.

March 3, 2013 at 12:17 am
(253) Tina says:

Problem is greed. Employers know they can pay younger employees less and that makes more profit for them. They don’t care about quality. In fact, many of them act as though they’re threatened by your intelligence, like they think you’re going to take over their company.

Best thing to do is find a way to start your own business. It’s not easy and I’ve been trying for a few years now, but it is the best option and, I think, ultimately easier than spending years trying to find a job then finally landing a minimum wage job that puts you right back in the homeless shelter!

What makes me sad is that Americans don’t care about each other anymore. Seems that if they aren’t suffering themselves personally they just won’t protest anything and age discrimination is just one example of that. Younger employees aren’t protesting because they (stupidly, as they’re getting older too) think it doesn’t affect them. Just like older people seem unconcerned about the student loan issue (another huge problem today.)

March 3, 2013 at 12:18 am
(254) Tina says:

Look, our govt has been encouraging companies to outsource work to 3rd world countries. The Patriot Act forces employees to tell employers their age by presenting two forms of ID and filling out a Homeland Security form. So even those of us who look younger than our age will be “found out” once they see our ID. (I know ’cause it’s happened to me.) Most employers won’t admit to discriminating as they know it’s illegal so they’ll just find something wrong with you or your work and use that as an excuse for not hiring you or for firing you. I’ve met people who were fired then replaced with younger, less- experienced but lower-paid employees.

Our biggest problem is that we can’t mobilize, can’t protest because it is so hard to get Americans to come together and support each other anymore. Most Americans are too busy supporting these big corps like Apple, Nike, etc., that are outsourcing labor to the 3rd world where they can exploit their employees. Of course, they don’t like older workers. We remember what it was like to get paid decent wages and to be treated with respect and dignity on the job. Younger workers don’t remember the times before the Patriot Act or when labor unions had a voice.

Sad that it’s come to all this. My advice to myself and everyone else would be to start a business, try to form a community with other displaced employees–maybe start a self-help support group?, or maybe just pick up and leave the US. I’ve heard of retired people living well in Mexico or So. America.

March 3, 2013 at 8:46 pm
(255) TC says:

I am so sorry to read about all of the folks experiencing the same discrimination that I find myself facing. I have never had to jump through so many hoops just to get to the interview phase in my life. What is amazing me are the corporations requiring a college degree for simple customer service positions, etc. Yes, they are getting recent college graduates to apply for and accept those positions….for now. What they neglected to factor in, the economy WILL improve. The younger generation has no loyalty in the job market. They do not subscribe to the belief “the company will take care of me, I will take care of them” idea the older generations were indoctrinated into. As soon as they can rip out of there with their degrees, they will. Us older folks will be sticking with the company who gave us the job when the others would not. I foresee difficult times ahead for the age discriminating companies.

March 4, 2013 at 3:34 pm
(256) Carmen630331 says:

I have a small nonprofitl company I started in 1991, and I still operate it. I work primarily with schools and senior centers. It’s very difficult to make money doing anything nowadays unless you have ties to corporate America.

March 10, 2013 at 7:59 am
(257) chas says:

I was at a job interviw, for a manager positon in a convience store, yesterday and the interviwer asked me,”how long are you planning on working?” I am 56 years old, have had the same experiences that the most of the commenters have had and very frustrated that someone would ask that question in an inteview. I have over 20 years experience in the lending business and can’ even get an interview. I was also asked why I didn’t get into the banking business. As I explalined, banks would rather hire someone who just graduated college with a degree and no experience than consider me with all the experience I have. These students have no work ethic established and nothing on their resume consider and they get the job. Believe me, age is a deciding factor in hiring these days.

March 11, 2013 at 10:42 am
(258) Word says:

The best and most simple answer is if you can not find a job then start your own business and be your own boss. Hire yourself!! Good Luck to you all, remember life is not all about work. We all live and die, so enjoy life and find a higher purpose to your being. Work is just a part of life and life should not be based on work…

March 11, 2013 at 1:55 pm
(259) BAB says:

I never considered my age, 50, to be a hindrance to getting hired as a School Counselor. I knew that school districts had budget issues but felt my years of experience in higher education was perfect for a high school college counselor position. I wouldn’t need any maternity leave because my kids were in school.

But with excellent inside references, volunteering and perfect grades and credentials, and not even an interview, I started to notice that all the new hires were in their 20′s. When I came across this article at work, where a manager stated “We prefer to invest in younger faculty,” the ageism factor started to seem.

March 13, 2013 at 12:24 am
(260) Machiavelle says:

This is in response to the October, 2012 “job posting”:
I phoned regarding the position for Managing Coordinator here in Phoenix, AZ. I think this must have been a troll, because when I mentioned the thread and said that while I realize this was an old posting, the person said “Oh no, that’s old”. I responded “Yes, but I thought I’d phone anyway, and would you have any other positions available?” she repeated “No, that’s old,” and hung up on me.
I hope it was a troll because otherwise I have never encountered anything so bogus. To go onto a thread like this and say you are hiring and then hang up on me is extremely uncouth, rude, and the antithesis of what this thread is supposed to be about. Shame. On. You. Do you kick puppies too?

March 13, 2013 at 10:35 pm
(261) missy says:

I’m so over applying for work, and I get really peeved off when the employer doesn’t even have the decency to at least send an email/letter to say, thank you for you response but unfortunately………..

I’m 45, I have a degree and can’t find a job to use it. I wonder if I am the only person in the world with an Design degree working as a cleaner:(

Not sure why I bothered wasting my money on a degree.

March 14, 2013 at 7:19 pm
(262) Dee Dee says:

I returned to work at the age of 39 after being out of work for 18 years due to marriage and having two children. I knew people at the local town hall, took the civil service exam, guaranteed paycheck of $31,639 per year. Each year I received raises of $2,500 to $3,500 per year plus a stipend of $1,500. I managed to fool the most important people to propell me into the high raises and salary. The two that did me the favor died of cancer and I was promoted even higher to a paycheck of $77,956 per year as a town clerk. I’m very proud and haughty about what I did and I hold my head up very high because I was able to pull it off. I have it made in the shade: guaranteed pension paid by the citizens of NYState and guaranteed job, since no one will be able to vote me out since I run unopposed, with benefits that are terrific. I am now 55 years old and feeling very good. I am wealthy and employed and I’ve never bought on credit and never had a car loan or a mortgage on any of my properties. My parents taught me very well how to get along with the right kind of people.

March 14, 2013 at 10:45 pm
(263) Jora says:

I am 56 working in a call center. I have been here over seven years, great stats. Now they are changing the way they rate calls to be very subjective, how they feel you connect with the customer. They have made a point of telling me this, and I feel my days are limited. I do my best, but perhaps my voice sounds older. I wonder should I stop paying the mortgage, sell my belongings, clean out my 401K and see if I can last living in my car until I am 62 and can get $900 month from social security? Reading all these posts, and having experienced age discrimination in jobs before, this might be a rational choice. In fact, maybe I can’t even afford the car. My 401K is pretty small. Should I aim for a cardboard sign? I bet my dog will find a home before I do.

March 19, 2013 at 2:08 am
(264) Chichi says:

I’m 23 and I was flat out told on two separate interviews that while I was qualified for the job, I was too young and they wanted someone older. So there’s that…

March 24, 2013 at 9:53 am
(265) Anthony in NYC says:

Ok I’ve worked in HR and have also interviewed for many corporate roles, and here is the REAL scoop:

Hiring managers and HR “gatekeepers” got to their positions by playing their company’s “game” and “politics”. They put in the 10 hour days to please Upper management and kept their nose clean.

Hence…

1) They don’t appreciate you having Entrepreneurial experience because they themselves have been corporate shells all their life

2) They don’t care if you have that fancy college degree, because they have one too.. probably from a school they think is hotter than yours.. and have a Surplus of college grads sending them resumes, including Interns and Temps who will work for free or cheap.

3) They don’t understand why you have “gaps” in your history, since they themselves have been loyal company soldiers and expect you to be the same… a loyal company soldier.

4) They’ve been so badgered by their company’s “cost-cutting”, “headcount-reduction”, and “efficiency” mentality that not only are they themselves constantly paranoid about a “layoff”, but will also get fired by their boss if they hire the wrong candidate who becomes a problem.

5) To add to the previous comment, a new employee is a potential Liability to any company. If you have a “history”, you are even more a liability. They must go to lengths to check every corner of your lengthy history and gaps to make sure you are not at risk of defrauding the company in some way, stealing from them, or being a problem.

6) Hiring “budgets” can fluctuate. There have been people who got firm job offers and then before starting the job was cut from the budget. We live in a very turbulent business cycle and one lousy quarter can spell doom for a company’s hiring budget.

March 26, 2013 at 8:02 am
(266) christophertonge says:

Iam 48 years old and have been abuilder for 30 years
and Ithink the problem is the poiititions concentrate to mutch on the16- 24 age bracket whers there Experiance

April 1, 2013 at 2:48 pm
(267) marie burton says:

I am a licensed attorney with 3 decades of experience in private practice, Congress, fed. and state gov.

After a layoff and a year of fruitless job searching, I took a “last resort” position with a national, unethical, terribly-mismanaged quasi-legal disability “mill” which required almost constant, daily, out of state travel. I became physically ill after a few years of putting up with that madness. It was literally either my health or job, so I resigned to work as a freelance contract atty for a few firms. The work has been very unreliable, sporadic and my savings are being depleted by having to pay COBRA out of pocket. I apply for more stable attorney jobs that seem a good fit, then hear nothing. I apply for paralegal/legal asst. jobs and am deemed “overqualified.” I apply for temp doc. review jobs and hear nothing. Even crappy, min. wage call centers and temp agencies no longer even acknowledge applications.

Like most other businesses, the legal profession has been destroyed by overseas outsourcing of atty work to cheap Indian, Chinese sweatshops. All this education, experience, and student loan debt for NOTHING. (Please, dear readers, no atty jokes, I feel depressed enough.) I know un/underemployed lawyers are “a dime a dozen” in this society, and I never envisioned a lucrative, 6-figure career or Sup. Ct. slot, but I honestly never imagined there would come a time when it would be almost impossible to support myself and pay my basic bills.

I am trying to maintain a shred of self-esteem, positive attitude as I force myself to keep slogging through online job search boards every day and sending out resume after resume after resume, knowing 9 times out of 10, I won’t even get a phone interview or simple letter/email thanks for applying. I admit it is becoming very difficult to feel hopeful for the future or even feel like a human being every morning I wake up.

April 1, 2013 at 8:20 pm
(268) Joe Smith says:

In the USA employers go out of their way to hire foreign visa workers. The news media and elected officials spread propaganda that there are shortages of talent in certain fields thus leaving employers no options but to hire “in” overseas foreign workers to fill that demand. . If we can prevent these foreign workers with visas from entering and working in the USA then none of us aged 45+ would have any time to be complaining here in this forum because we would be busy working. There are millions of foreign workers here in the US right now with visas and what are we doing about this? We have had several elected officials in the past 20 years make attempts to prevent foreign workers from taking our jobs away but not much progress has been made. The latest attempt is shown below and it is up to all of you to act on this rather than complain;

The H-1B and L-1 Visa Reform Act of 2013
http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=45141

April 3, 2013 at 8:47 am
(269) Joyce says:

I learned a new one for gently letting you know your too old; “Your too Experienced”!! But since I have Insurance skill-set, Licensed, to fall back on, I am forced to go back to this, but with Corporate Group Rates lower, the gas to find prospects, the time takes to get paid commission only; I tried to steer away to maintain a base paying job to sustain myself with a recent Business Administration Degree, Sales Experience, Dental Exp. Softwares; easily adapt to software…I cannot get the jobs I desire because of ; Hire within saga’s, too experienced excuses, fit description, yet told not fit, and yes I have dummied down Resumes but hey, reality check..they can find out our age on the Internet whether we like it, approve it, or it is fair, this is the new invasion of privacy ordeal of Globalization IT Information, New World Mirco-Managed Gov. World, we now are integrated into. The answer?? I am still attempting to figure the Quagmire out. (More money courses, learn Regulations to run Admin Assisted LIving Facility..future here to obtain $$ for course).Articles to help mature woman, not just obtain feedback would be more helpful,appreciated. Oh, recent Dental Job outside my dental temping I’ve done to get back (My Good Dental Jobs, ah Doctors are Retired)…on track & sustain income., I was truly treated badly for age discrimination/worked w/Russian Dictator, demeaning retrobate, person(in my opinion)..went to Human Rights and their case load too much; I received the conveyed message, I not different nationality so hard to win and they cherry-picked winable ones(In my opinion!), and I lost. For the record I accept everyone but know the new age rules don’t conform to everyone unfortunately in my very experienced humble opinion. Thank-you. Makes ya stronger with Faith, Hope, Perservere, Joy, and the rest of the story, we can know we get Peace Forever with our belief! So enjoy your journey!!!

April 3, 2013 at 7:11 pm
(270) Nance says:

Wow. Some really sad stories here ….. I am 55 and have been a Graphic Designer for about 35 years. I worked for a Fortune 500 company (twice) and was sheltered from this type of thing for a long time. I am now working for another Fortune 500 company but I regularly here comments from the 20 somethings about other employee’s ages. I work rings around them and am so much more dependable. I had been feeling a tad sluggish about my job recently but I guess I should feel privileged to still have a good job! Perhaps this is something to bring up to our legislators? I know it’s “illegal” to discriminate b/c of age but when you have to put the year you graduate from high school and college – well duh! When I was in my late 40s, I could still pass for 30 something but now I look 40 something at best and sounds like that is considered “old” as well. Sad. My mother worked as a bookkeeper until she was 75 and the only reason she retired is b/c the company closed due to the owner’s health problems. I’m sure the downturn in the economy is the main reason for this problem and will eventually clear up but that doesn’t help all of you. Good luck and best wishes.

April 12, 2013 at 2:43 pm
(271) Dawn says:

I just spent the past several hours reading these informative but sad comments. Turned 60 years old yesterday and haven’t been able to find full-time work since 2008.

We, as older people, feel the sting of age discrimination. I very much fear, though, that nothing will ever be done to change the way things are.

The younger people are getting the jobs. Younger people always get the jobs. I can remember when I was in my 20′s and into my 40′s, when I walked into a waiting room to sit until it was my turn to interview, the older ladies also waiting would look at me with something sad in their eyes. I was given every job I applied for until I was too old to “show” well anymore.

Perhaps the only thing we can do is band together and form some really fantastic company, but who has the funds for a thing like that?

April 15, 2013 at 6:39 am
(272) Thomas says:

I’m 51 years old. I get SSI/ SSDI. Looking for a job. DVR don’t care job I want. I take any job out there.

April 20, 2013 at 9:28 am
(273) SIMON says:

hi all I am 38 and i am starting a home help buisness for the disabled and oaps.
but i am wanting to just use over 50′s as my entire workforce.
from admin, building, gardening and everything inbetween.
And just wanted to see what you all thought about this idea .

April 22, 2013 at 7:18 am
(274) boutgivup says:

I have been told I’m too old since I was 47,today I’m 59 and they look at me like I’m crazy for wanting to go back to some type of work.
I wonder by this same token if I should go back into retail and into real estate and told potential buyers who were under 47 ‘sorry you’re to young ,I only sell to older mature persons’.
No doubt the Government would seek action against me yet they never do in the reverse when we older,mature,successful,many years experienced individuals seek work and are told sorry you’re to old.

April 22, 2013 at 9:45 pm
(275) ChrisH says:

I am so glad to see that I am not alone. I have worked in Healthcare for over 41 yrs, 29 of which was in my last position as Administrative Assistant until I was downsized and let go without unemployment so that they could pay for a multimillion dollar piece of equipment. I have put in over 500 resume’s and cannot even get an interview. When pushed, they have become blatant about their answer: Why – You are over qualified and Oh Yes you are too old. We are looking for someone younger. By the way – why don’t you retire. Did I mention that I am a young “60″ with plenty of experience, training (Associate’s Degree)
and brain power left not to mention stamina . Retraining – an option????? Change in career – is it worth it????? Running out of options. Refuse to be a greeter at Wal-mart. Thanks everyone.

April 25, 2013 at 6:18 pm
(276) Anne says:

Thank you, thank you, and thank you again, to everyone who has left a comment on this thread! I now realize I am NOT alone. I completely agree with the rampant abuse of age discrimination in the USA and abroad (excluding India, the Phillipines, India, Vietnam, etc.) of job applicants who are over 40 years of age.

Whew! I thought I was just imaging things…but oh no, it’s SO true.
I am in my early 50′s, with two degrees, (both received over 20 yrs. ago). I have over 30 yrs. experience working in sales, marketing, writing, customer service, and management. However,in this downsized economy, with lay offs, etc., finding a job, any job, has proved difficult, to put it mildly. All that education, experience, loyalty and sacrifice, makes no difference to potential employers these days, b/c I am OLD. Too old to employ. ?

I have made available, thousands of resumes & applications to employers over the last few years, resulting in a handful of in-person interviews.

The bills don’t stop coming even after you turn 40, so I was grateful, a few years ago, to secure a job in fast food at minimum wage-Part time, I enjoyed the fast pace and responsibilities, but my paycheck didn’t even cover the gasoline costs to and from work. I was going broke working there! There were no full time hours offered to any employees, and some had worked there for 10+ years & were still making minimum wage. More to follow in next post…

April 25, 2013 at 6:22 pm
(277) Anne says:

…earlier post continued….
I later landed a job as a convenience store cashier, working 3rd shift/overnights, alone, full time. I liked the job, worked hard, and was a responsible employee. About a month before I was to become eligible for health benefits, my work schedule suddenly was changed to— 3rd shift for 2 days, then 2nd shift 2 days, then 1st shift 1 day (in the same week!) This was a brutal weekly shift schedule, but I managed to endure. However, I did question the reasoning for this.

My manager, (in her early 30s) had a grade school education, and mentioned one day that she wasn’t allowed to vote (?) …. The Asst. Manager ( in his late 30s) had a 9th grade education, and a bad attitude toward everyone and everything. Who hires these people??

Over the course of my employment there, I was encouraged by my Mgr. to drink “Energy drinks”. I politely declined. Honestly, I had more energy, and was working harder than the two of them put together.
I was a ‘team player’, not wanting to “rock the boat”, and for months, I was expected to do the work for a fellow employee who regularly left me to do my side work as well as his, during my shifts. I finally spoke to my Mgr. about it, but she just laughed it off, telling me “oh, he’s just forgetful.

A week before my health insurance coverage was to begin, I was verbally abused, threatened and harrassed by Mgmt. for doing my job according to state liquor beverage control board regulations. I was checking IDs and refusing service to those without a proper or current ID. Which is the law here, and not doing so, can get you a hefty fine and/or imprisonment. …More to follow on next post

April 25, 2013 at 6:24 pm
(278) Anne says:

…continued from earlier post…
Either mgmt. was mad about losing a few sales, or they used my following the state laws,as a way to make the workplace so miserable to the extent of bullying me, just hoping I would quit….and all coincidentally, before my health insurance was to start. By the way, although I was over 50, I had no health issues
.
At the time, I was thankfully, offered a temp receptionist position for three months, and I left the convenience store job. I thought I would scout full time employment opportunities during my off time, while still bringing in a pay check with the temp job.

After a week and a half at the receptionist position, I was contacted by phone at 9pm, by the temp agency representative, telling me that today was my last day to work for the client. I was shocked, as I was doing a good job, learning the job, and working without a phone…AT the receptionist desk, no less. Dropped, suddenly. No rhyme no reason. Bitter? hell yea. Disgusted? oh yes. Broke? uh huh. Did the temp agency give a damn. hell no.

I don’t even bother with Temp Agencies any longer. They have their own agendas, and there is no loyalty to employees.

So as many here have commented, I agree that for all those over 40 years old, starting your own business, and being your own boss is the way to go. If you have the experience and the education, doing so will be your/our best option.

As for asking our representatives for help on eliminating age discrimination in the workplace….while I’d love to see them do this, I am not holding my breath.

If you need a job, make a job. Be your own boss and the Captain of your own ship. Good luck to all and happy sailing! xox

April 26, 2013 at 3:49 am
(279) Gloria says:

Iam 73 this year, but ican work.. I did upholstery for 40 years own my on business. Then went to work for a hotel.. 10 years there. I was clerk, night auditor,amd asst. manger..worked for Bestwestern in houston.I just need a part time.. Thanks for listening.. Gloria

April 29, 2013 at 6:59 am
(280) WalkingDead says:

Hi Anne! I am from the Philippines and there is age discrimination here, as well. If you try to look at our job ads they prefer fresh college grads or those with experience til the age 30-35. For clerical admin jobs, usually til the age of 28. Most corporate hirings are strict with the educational background, wanting college grads. So those who graduated only up to highschool really need to equip themselves with vocational skills such as welding, dressmaking, automotive, etc. Only in the call centers can you find a job for college undergrads, for ages 35 and above, and you have to have excellent English speaking/communication skills. Although, some are really good with the English language, most Filipinos don’t.

I know some American friends who are having a hard time finding jobs there, as well. It is too sad because cost of living is high compared to ours. However, I should say it is relative as we earn so much less than what you earn from there.

I hope those who need a job, find one eventually. God bless.

May 3, 2013 at 9:36 am
(281) old and forgotten says:

Well, it seems I am not the only one with this problem. Problem is..There seems to be nothing we can do about it! Those of us who have been out of work for a while just do not have the funds to make an appearance up in Washington to make our voice heard. I’ve even gone to lengths of sending numerous emails to Michelle Obama, with…imagine this.. NO RESPONSE. How weird. ya right. I’ve put out over 60 applications, I’m in a small town, and that takes care of all the companies hiring for things I am qualified to do, with no response, or I would get an interview but not the job. Even after being told, “We would LOVE to get you in here as we hire older people, they are more reliable than the younger ones.” Well, after waiting about one week, *numerous visits back to the place*, on my last appearance to the place, they said, “Sorry we hired someone already, but we would REALLY love to get you in here” I looked around and noticed the person they hired was at least 30 years younger than I was. So I said, “As what? A RESIDENT?” It was for a retirement village as a cook. what the heck? You hear “do not lie on your resume” well, if you are truthful about when you graduated from school, ..red flag..if you leave anything blank…red flag. So, what to do?

May 7, 2013 at 3:43 pm
(282) Kathy says:

These comments are so, so sad. It is unfortunate that people such as myself realize that yes, age discrimination does exists. It is not isolated to a few companies, it is widespread. I honestly thought that it was a problem for me alone. I am 58 years old and cannot “buy” employment. I have sent in countless resume’s and applications. I was downsized from big tobacco in 2005, my lifestyle has been on a steady decline since. I was making 6 figures, now I cannot find employment making 9.00 per hour. I was able to begin drawing a small retirement check that barely pays my house payment. It is depressing. My goal is to go to the vocational school and become an LPN, to eventually become an RN. The shortest path to gainful employment with benefits in my opinion. Does anyone here have any thoughts?.

May 14, 2013 at 12:29 pm
(283) shrews1 says:

i am almost 50 and have been off since Feb 2012 – 5 apps a week all along w / no interest from anyone….have been in management and as a customer rep for a large firm, you’d think when they see 30 yrs with same co. it would mean loyalty, but i guess not….what are us “young old guys” supposed to do?

May 15, 2013 at 2:03 pm
(284) Pamela says:

I worked full time from the age of 16 – 56 (except short brakes for having children) and in 2008 had to give up my job to to be a mum to my granddaughter. My Income Support is stopping when she is 5 (in a few months) and I have been told by the Job Centre that I have to go out to work. I would love to but in all honesty who is going to employ me at the age of 61. To be realistic……nobody, yet I have to prove that I am applying for work by showing them letters, emails, my cv’s, etc. I don’t care what job I do but I know it will be all for nothing……and the job centre know it too. I do think the law should be changed for older people i.e. over 55′s, although it is difficult to know where to draw the line.It is true that anyone over the age of 40-45 is more or less unemployable, unfortunately, that is the world we live in today. I would love a job and will obviously apply for jobs as I have to by law but I do consider it a total waste of my time. If I do manage to get employed, haleluyah.

May 19, 2013 at 12:36 am
(285) abigail says:

I am 40 years old, and I was so burnt out for the company I worked for close to 11 years, I walked away from it. In this crazy economy. Though i am happy and healthy now, I am broke and moved home while I still pursue a new job. It has been 18 months now. I feel for the “elders” looking for work, and I feel for the new grads. Either way, we are” too old and experienced” or “too young and inexperienced.” I am in the middle, stuck. I have paid to have my resume revised 3 times, which didn’t help in any case, so it seems. The interviewers read a script, are often rude and unapologetic. I have been told on every interview (when I am lucky enough to land one) they are searching for the “perfect candidate”. Those jobs are still posted out there. What is perfection now? Shaking my head. But I keep trying…and hoping the doors open again.

May 20, 2013 at 3:54 pm
(286) Tina Garced says:

Page 1 : I think its because of the Obama health care Plan? Im 45 yrs old and was layed off in 2011 and I havent been able to find work.The work I have done for over 20 yrs is Manufacturing Electronics companies like Honeywell, Lockheedmartin. I have over 20 yrs experiance as if I went to School. I also live in Florida were theres alot of Unemployed People. The only Jobs I have seen left are call centers/ Telemarketing, housekeeping,driving a taxi, and dancing in nude clubs if thats your thing? Not mine. lol! and most of theses jobs are only $8 dollars an hour at 20 to 37 hours a week. What I have also noticed is no one wants to train anymore either. Most jobs want you to have experiance. I was in Walmart last week and I over heard a 25 yr old mexican guy say he just started working for Walmart 2 weeks ago? I didnt think Walmart was hiring? after all the white women that work there had said that thier hours had been cut down to 25- 30 hours a week. I even heard of people taken pay cuts to keep their jobs. BIG pay cuts.I dont think its just based on our age either. I begining to think its about what color/race you are too. It seems the white people are being targeted the most. Not to sound races but it sure seems that way?

May 20, 2013 at 4:12 pm
(287) Tina says:

Page 2 : Just to let you know about getting into the medical field Obama came out with a law in July of 2012 that everyone must pass a level 2 background in order to work with the elderly or children. Lets say when you were a teen you got in trouble and was arrested on a Misdmeanor charges the judge made you pay a fine with no time spent in jail and its still on your record? It doesnt matter if it was over 20 yrs ago You will not beable to work in the medical field intill you clear that up. So you are going to start seeing more people out of work because for all the men and women who work in the medical field that have been working before the new law came out will have to pass this test in the future. So for all the ones working who have a record will soon find themselves unemployed. America is not America anymore folks! Just look on craigslist and check out all the used scrubs being sold now under clothing.The listings are growing every day. At least in Florida they are..

May 20, 2013 at 4:15 pm
(288) Tina says:

Page 3 of 3 : I was talking with a man the other day were I live and he was telling me that he was the only white guy in his team of workers. I have heard about soldiers coming home from over seas and him and his family sleeping on the floor with no furnature while the mexican people drive around in new cars,cell phones and have fairly new homes, food, furnature to sleep and sit on? I can say all of this. Im part Native american and white female I am the minoriti and this is what I see happening in America and it seems to be getting worse by the day. It seems the white people have become the Indians now? I agree with you Anne, The Staffing agencies are the worst companies to work for they keep you in the unemployement line. Honeywell,Lockheed Martin were all contracts that ran out.Theses 2 companies have been bought out. Most companies like this have moved out of America for cheaper labor wages and less tax. Heres a History lesson. Did you know that one of the reasons the people of England left to come to America is because of being forced to pay higher taxes like 30 % of their income and thats were Amercia is today if not more? Oh, And they left because of Tyranny. America is headed in the same direction.Thanks for reading my 3 pages of rant.

May 21, 2013 at 11:53 pm
(289) Johnny says:

As a 44 year old worker, I can state some things with relative reliability.
1. It’s not you, it’s the system that’s broken.
2. We were raised to believe in American exceptionalism, where with hard work and diligence, everyone can succeed. This is no longer the case. There simply aren’t enough jobs to go around.
3. The older worker has been conditioned to believe that longevity and stability is paramount. The current business climate is based on temporary goals and fear, Period. Everyone in business today is scared of the future. Everyone from the CEO, to the stakeholders, right down to the front line grunts.
4. Modern business is temporary. Virtually everything, in every sector is in a race to the bottom, thanks to globalization.
5. The healthcare system is completely broken, making it impossible for most companies to insure older workers.
6. Western economies are about to collapse. I say this from an MBA globalist’s perspective.
7. Hang in there and do anything and everything you must do to survive. The world as we once knew it is over.

May 26, 2013 at 10:17 am
(290) Housekhat says:

Here is what I am doing……I have decided to not do business with companies that do not hire people of ALL ages. I am in sales and when I find only 20-30 somethings to try and deal with, I walk out the door. I am a 57 year old female, with two college degrees, one of recent (2011), have variety of softwares skills and experience. The successful companies do hire ALL ages as salespeople/employees. Have you ever walked into an Apple store? They have all ages of employees. And, why do you think that is? What a 60+ year old wants to discuss with regards to thier communication/computer needs is not what a 20 year old has in mind. And, a company that does not have the insight to understand that the older worker has life experiences that a 20 year old cannot even comprehend, does not deserve my money or business. I do not want to talk to someone whose lack of life experience will not be able to assist me in a purchasing/buying decision. And, this life experience is what older workers can add to a company that has real life problems that need to be solved. My new motto is “less than 40 does not equal my $”!

May 26, 2013 at 11:08 pm
(291) Chris says:

After seeing some of the young pups that were hired where I work (know it all; lazy and feelings of entitlement), I hired a lady that was 60 in our IT department. She had more experience than the young pups and came across as calming and professional. I figure since I am 56, we would have more in common and work well together. Not all hire the young ones……Thank goodness!

June 3, 2013 at 2:09 pm
(292) Bob says:

I”m over 40 and what a learn about life is that many years of experience don’t mean anything.Technology changes everyday and most of our “experience” is worthless today.The same will happen to 20′s something kids in the futureThey will us 20 years from now.

Is all about getting the most for less.Working hard will get you no where in life.Convincing other people to work hard for you for less money,that my friend, will make you rich.That the American way. The land of the exploiter opportunist.The sooner you learn that the less you will suffer.
Best wishes to all in your own journey.

June 5, 2013 at 2:33 am
(293) JC says:

Most companies nowadays do pre-employment background checks after the initial interviews. After I filled out my background check consent forms which include DOB, I had never heard from them again. That was after I had gone through the phone and the in-person interviews. I’ve had 3 interviews in 2.5 years with all same results. I had gone through almost all of my savings, I’m alone, divorced. I turned 60 earlier this year. I am now just trying to survive until I hit 62, somehow. Good luck to everyone.

June 5, 2013 at 11:19 pm
(294) Lisa Strickland says:

What passes for “Human Resources” these days is appalling. Midlife professionals are often not even considered for positions because younger workers are considered a better deal in terms of benefits, salary, etc.
I hold employers largely responsible for the jobs crisis. They are slow to hire older workers. They persist in claiming that there’s a “talent shortage” in the US. They are so afraid of making a bad hire that nobody can make a decision. Worst of all, they hire based on a perfect match-with-job-requirements system, instead of using common sense and hiring based on ability to do the job well.

I started a nonprofit to help under/unemployed midlife workers get back to work. We’re ready to launch a website; in the meantime you can find us on Facebook – Operation Boomerang.

Midlife workers need to network, keep skills current – yet despite valiant efforts millions of people over 45 find themselves out of work an average of 2 years. This is a disgrace! Lives are being destroyed because of unfair, nonsensical hiring practices.

Thank you for writing this piece and drawing attention to this issue.

June 6, 2013 at 10:05 am
(295) Mark in England says:

Hi Guys – I’m 51 and took voluntary exit from the Civil Service 3 months ago. Since then, not much luck with my job search. Like a lot of you posting here, I have decades of varied work experience. Like most of you, I’m applying for jobs I could do easily but hear nothing. Like you, I have a sneaking suspicion its age discrimination. Suggestion – we could network together and boycott (abstain from buying) the products or services of large and multinational companies for a period of time in large numbers. Nothing illegal in doing this – it could raise our profile – we could hit the system where it really hurts? We can make them hurt financially too?

June 8, 2013 at 7:38 pm
(296) Rich in York, UK says:

I have many years of experience in customer service, retail and wholesale, until I found myself out of work at the end of 2012. I even went to university in recent years and gained a first class honours degree, in line with govt BS that education is the key to getting on. But guess what? I’m going to be 50 in less than two weeks and no-one will consider me employable because I am deemed too old. I agree with Markin England – we should do something to raise our profile, to make ourselves heard.

June 9, 2013 at 10:55 am
(297) karen warne says:

I worked for a major bank for 34 years ,I’ve since left and run my own business.
I would much rather have the older end working with me as their values, time keeping and work ethic are far better than younger people.Remember you have life experience on your side.

June 9, 2013 at 11:45 am
(298) Pete says:

Agreed Karen. My advice is to spend some quality time thinking introspectively about two things. First, what skills have I really developed during my corporate career and what were my absolute strengths. Next make a list of things, subjects or areas that you have always had an interest or passion for. Try to find a way to connect the two and you will be on your way to ending your frustration with the traditional job search.
The old ways are not coming back. It is never too late to reinvent yourself and create a better life balance.

June 9, 2013 at 12:57 pm
(299) Nat says:

As a hiring manager I can say there are a few things that hurt older workers when they interview

1. Salary requirements. Most of our hiring, other than managers, require that the person start at the low end of the band. The economy just does not let us hire at the higher end of the band and many older more experienced workers will not take the salary we can afford. We can then train and retain. Older workers than try to negotiate for salary that we just don’t have to give.

2. Coming into the interview boasting of everything they did. I have had older workers come in and play themselves up so much they are hurting themselves. discuss the relevant experience and don’t overkill

3. Don’t come into an interview saying how you would change everything. I had a great resume person for a entry audit position. He just wanted something to do. Unfortunately his entire interview and responses was to how he would manage the department. I was not looking for a manager, I had a great manager just a worker and he did not communicate in a way that made me confident he would not just get bored and leave.

4. Resumes: Stop at 10 years. Don’t go back 20 or 30 years. Experience 40 years ago, especially in many areas is no longer relevant. Keep it current. Leave off the dates of your degrees, especially technical degrees. I got my degree in 1986 and I can even admit what I learned in college then is no longer relevant. Instead I stay current with my certifications.

June 9, 2013 at 1:00 pm
(300) Nat says:

JAC, your comment “I am now just trying to survive until I hit 62, somehow.” says alot. What employer wants to expend the cost of hiring you if you are going to leave in 2 years? The cost of hiring and training is just not worth an employee who is just trying to hit 62. Our company does not pass on any birthdate information to the hiring staff. Resumes are the only thing to give away age, so only go back 10 years.

June 9, 2013 at 1:49 pm
(301) JC says:

Nat, I have no intention of stop working at the age of 62 if I have a job. If I cannot find another job again, I have no choice but start taking SS at 62. That was what I meant when I said, “trying to survive till 62.”.

June 12, 2013 at 5:15 pm
(302) John says:

I’ve had years of experience in institutional real estate management. I left a job only when they decided to move north from Atlanta. I took my severance and went to start a business in Europe which lasted 16 years. Now I’m back and at 56 I’m being told I’m over qualified. I take that as you’re too old. One CEO I happened to ran into at a networking event said he thought I would get bored and leave. That’s sooo far from the truth. Even at the low salary, I would have been happy to have the work because it was right up my alley and I knew I could do the job. The 30 year they hired lasted 3 months. He moved onto a bigger player in the market.

One problem everyone is facing is the on line applications. They have algorithms designed to sort through certain data and i genuinely believe that age is one of them. Although illegal there are ways around it through technology. And there’s no way around it for those looking for work. Once the system rejects you, you’re out or luck with that company. I’ve applied 5 times with one firm and deliberately wrote each application differently. But my age cannot be disguised.

So what to do? I reactivated my real estate license and have been selling houses to investors. The money’s not so good but it’s income coming in. I still look for a 9-5 but so far, it ain’t happening and I’m sure I’m not the only one experiencing this.

June 13, 2013 at 1:33 pm
(303) BSalcott says:

After reading most of the posts here, I feel the frustration in all of them. I am 58 years old and have been unemployed for almost four years. After 33 years with a major company was laid off at 55. I chose to go back to school for an AA in criminal justice since I have a passion for the field. Problem is, you need both experience and a BS before anyone will even look at you, and I need to work now. I have had some interviews I thought went really well only to never hear a word back even though I was promised I would hear either way (I have to think it’s my age). Respect is all I ask for, the same respect I give, I expect in return and I think it’s very rude not to do what they say they will……STILL looking and trying to be positive.

June 13, 2013 at 2:19 pm
(304) Fred says:

Look, we’re all in the same boat. I have degrees, great experience, and even better references but after countless interviews they all get trumped by my age. We can cry and complain but it will not change anything – and certainly not pay the bills that are due today. After 6 months of this, I am not waiting around for years to pass by thinking I might hit the lottery or even better get a great job, I am taking whatever equity I have and starting my own business doing something I love and putting all my energy and long acquired skills to make it a success -AND I am going to hire as many great, experienced and dedicated 50+s as I can. You should all do the same. It’s time we helped ourselves and each other.

June 15, 2013 at 3:59 pm
(305) Liz R says:

I have saved myself a lot of frustration of being called into frivolous interviews and avoid the repeated rejection:
In the header of my resume, I posted my linkedin link. On my LinkedIn account I posted a realistic photo of myself.

I am guaranteed not to get any calls from any companies where age discrimination is being practiced. The two calls I have gotten out of about 250 applications were interviews where I was wanted for my skills. However, both times I was glad they did not call me back. I would have remained stressed out because of the incompetence of my prospective future bosses.

In order to keep frustration at a minimum, wave that age flag discreetly. :)

June 16, 2013 at 8:11 pm
(306) J C says:

You can be old even at thirty five and this is why. If at thirty nine, you are applying for the same job as someone that is twenty years old and your interviewer just happens to be thirty two its obvious he or she may overlook you for someone younger. Its not always our age but the path we take. We have to realise what worked for us once no longer works for us as we get older, therefore we need to focus on jobs that suit our maturity, so instead of going for a receptionist job which an eighteen year old can do, focus on managerial roles, that normally take eighteen year olds twenty years to get there, and so on. We need to use common sense, age can bring fantastic change nor necessarily limitations. As we age, we change and adjust our life styles so it should not be a suprise we must also change the jobs we go for. Its not discrimination, its using logic. I am also in my forties, and I did something that helped me understand change better and it was simply this. I use to love Mary Kay products and at sixteen years old I remember a cherry coloured lipstick that just lit up my face. It so happened this cherry lipstick was still in the sales lady’s possession and she had it for more than twenty years and had never been purchased. So, I purchased it and couldnt wait to get home and try it on assuming it will once again make my face shine. Well, I forgot to recall it was more than twenty years ago, and when I did get the lipstick and mind you paid full price for it, I put it on and went to the biggest mirror in the house to look at myself. Well, I took one look at myself and guess what? I looked like a clown with bright red lips. I just learned there and then, I have changed and yes I was now older and from there on, I began to understand what worked for me once now needs to be changed.

June 20, 2013 at 7:08 pm
(307) JC says:

J C, that is a good advice for the younger crowd, those who are in their 20s to perhaps early 40s. They need to refocus their career path for perhaps toward the management positions. They need to get some management experience, transition to those positions while they are working. It is near impossible to get a management position without the management experience even if you are a mature professional. But I agree, older folks need to reinvent themselves, start a new career or his/her own business. It is difficult, however.

June 30, 2013 at 12:07 am
(308) EJP says:

I am only 48 and any chances of me getting another job seem to be gone. I have worked as a software engineer all my life and worked for many companies, but each time I try to get another job it gets more difficult to even get an interview. I lost my last job 1 1/2 years ago due to budget cuts; they got rid of me because I was the highest paid programmer in the company. I have applied for hundreds of jobs since then and have actually been told on the phone by a few recruiters and a couple CEOs that I am too old to be a programmer and anyone who was my age and not in management was worthless. I am a couple months away from loosing my house and everything I have built up because the idiots running all the software companies would rather have a 20 something person who will work 12 hours a day 7 days a week instead of someone with experience who can get the same work done in 1 / 4 the time and not make any mistakes.

My advice to young people is to stay away from university and getting a degree, they are worthless. Get a job in the trades like my Dad. He had work all his life and as he got older the companies would come looking for him because of his experience. I have yet to even come close to making the kind of money he did in construction. My local bus driver and garbage man make more than any programmer I know.

June 30, 2013 at 10:27 am
(309) Peter says:

Re the Software Engineer. I’d analyse what else you can do that will generate an income. Try entering that field. Scan through other jobs on sites like seek.com.au For example a computer support role. It’s a matter of having the skills needed for a job, or being able to develop them from your personal attributes. Make a point of getting along with people and see where it leads. Do the software engineering as a hobby in the meantime. Good luck.

July 1, 2013 at 4:43 am
(310) Miss Jay says:

I have a Bachelors Degree in Business Information Technology, with computing, I love IT, but at the age of 56 I am too old to work in IT employers are just not interested, if I apply for an administration job, i am told that because of my qualifications and experience, they are reluctant to hire me, as I will become bored and leave.

But to add to all of this, there are no employers who will admit to age discrimination, they will just tell the candidate that they were unsuccessful, and don’t have the skill-set that is needed. But I will keep on looking.

July 1, 2013 at 6:46 pm
(311) dammitamerica says:

48, have done tax preparation for 13 years, administrative for another 20 and haven’t been able to land a decent job for the past 3.5 years. Divorced 12/2009. When I have, and they found out how old I was… out the door.

Just went to a hopeful interview for seasonal position that would actually save my house and now I read a post from some ‘lovely’ HR person above saying only to post 10 years of your experience.

What the hell is an Age Discrimination Law worth then???

Well THAT’s just great because I just had to tell them I left off 13 years of working with a Fortune 500 company.

Are there tax incentives for hiring these kids that walk in with 2 hrs. of sleep because they partied all night? If they’re lucky they even show up? Or is it a push to force more into foreclosure, the banks and government taking our property? I swear, this Agenda21 is looking like it’s more than just a theory.

July 1, 2013 at 11:40 pm
(312) Paul says:

Been looking for 3 and a half years. I have 30+ years of experience BS and MS in mathematics and statistics applied to what they now call “Data Science” which is supposed to be the HOT job now. Not if you’re 60. I can do this work with half my brain tied behind my back but so what? I’ve applied for hundreds of positions. I never get past the first interview. At one place an engineer interviewed me. After 5 minutes or so he said to me “We’re looking for someone younger”. Can you believe that? I know it’s not legal but if that’s what they are thinking what can you do about it? It is what it is. I have lost hope and feel desperate. It awful.

July 2, 2013 at 8:57 pm
(313) debbie says:

Job discrimination based on age is real.
Last month I turned 60. Last summer, I lost my job due to budget cuts. I have over 30 years experience as an LPN. I thought I’d found a job with a home care agency but after passing three written exams, background and drug screens, and more, I attended 2 orientations, which were mandatory. I was told I had to take these classes before I could get a job. What happened? I was NEVER paid for those classes the company said I had to take and they never put me on an assignment. When I asked to be PAID for the classes I took as an “employee,” I was told I would not be paid until I had an assignment and of course, they never found one for me. All I ever got from them was excuses.
In January, I finally found a part time job-no benefits, no health insurance. I’ve been paying through the nose for COBRA health insurance through my former company and finally just qualified for a state sponsored health insurance, however, it’s linked to my income, and so in order to keep this insurance, I can’t take on more hours if my employer asks me to-unless they offer me a full time job.
Right now, there is no chance of my 20 hour/week position becoming full time and while I have looked in the company for full time work, nothing has come of it. I’m worried, I will never find another full time job and be reduced to scraping by.
I even looked into selling my house but was told it could be listed for half of what I paid for it, not even enough to pay off my mortgage!
I don’t know the answer, I only know I don’t have the luxury of giving up and not looking for full time work. I could “retire” in 2 years, however, the money I’d get would not be enough, I’d still need to work and I would still need health insurance, not old enough to get medicare.
When did experience, education, a good work ethic and being reliable become liabilities?

July 3, 2013 at 9:22 am
(314) charlie294 says:

I am an energetic 62 year old who trained adults/teachers in computer software and hardware operation yet, I too cannot find a job. Discrimination is alive and well. My resume does not indicate my age but, when filling out an application, they may not ask for your age but ask for “year of high school graduation.” Duh, it is not rocket science to figure out one’s age with that question! How do you get around that question, since it is normally required to answer?

July 3, 2013 at 12:46 pm
(315) JC says:

From my experience during my job search, if I pass the initial couple of phone interviews, then getting invited to the face-to-face interview. They requested to fill out and bring the application and the background check consent forms to the in-person interview. Companies do pre-employment background checks these days. The background check consent form includes your DOB, which is a required field. There should be a law that the company to do the background check only after the job was offered to the candidate. And make the official job offer is contingent on passing the background check. By the way, I am in the same boat. At 60, out of work over 2.5 years, my prospect is grim.

July 3, 2013 at 7:16 pm
(316) debbie says:

One more thing to add on the age discrimination topic. I’ve applied 3 times for a position with a human service agency that cares for the disabled. I have over 25 years working with that population and yet, I can’t land a job. I been called for interviews by them 3 times, yet never get hired.
The first time I was told I was a “dream candidate,” by the person who called me for the interview but 2 weeks later, when I followed up, I was told someone inside had been hired. Then they were opening a new group home, adding several nurses, yet, I got interviewed but not hired.
Just two weeks ago, I again was called for an interview, with the same company but in a different house, thought it would make a difference? Nope, got an email saying they hired someone else. I’m CERTAIN whoever they hired was LESS qualified than me. Not only have I worked in this field but raised a child with disabilities as well.
Yeah, I think they hired someone younger and i won’t bother applying again for a job with this company. I look younger for my age but I have to show my driver’s license and they also ask how many years you’ve been a nurse? Am I supposed to lie in an interview? But if I tell the truth, I don’t get hired.

July 4, 2013 at 6:19 am
(317) David says:

After working for the last 2 years with a mineral manufacturing company, performing the job as well as it can be performed, doing extra work, even filling in for others doing their jobs. I am still a Temp with this company. They had 4 new jobs come open in my department which I applied for. Their going to transfer other employees from different departments that have no experience at all performing the jobs. Yet they are a “better fit” for those jobs than I at 52. Is there anyone that can explain how someone who knows nothing about the job they are transferred to is a “better fit” than the one who has been performing parts if not all of the job for 2 years. I have a great work history, great references from my dept boss as well as the people I work with. So what makes a “better fit”?

July 6, 2013 at 4:18 pm
(318) Thomas says:

Well I turned 50 in June and then lost my job on the 27th. I was forced to resign. I have already filled out my unemployment papers but do not know if I will receive it. I had worked for this company for 25 years and 8 months with a stellar performance record. No retirement, except for a little in my 401k. My wife is disabled so I have chipped away with it over the past 5 years just to pay her medical bills not covered by Medicare and my insurance. Now I have no insurance. I got my first taste of this seemingly age discrimination issue. I applied for a job online for a position I am completely qualified for on July 4th. I get an email this morning from NOT a person, but from the company and it states ” Thank you for your interest in (Blank). After careful consideration of your qualifications, we have decided to pursue other candidates for the position”. That was quick. Shot down without even a phone call. My qualifications were almost verbatim what the job description was. Unbelievable.

July 8, 2013 at 10:03 am
(319) Terry says:

Thomas, you need to give it more time as you have been out of work for only a week. You applied for one job and got a rejection email. Most of the time, companies do not even bother responding at all. Good luck to you.

July 8, 2013 at 12:34 pm
(320) Mr.Wolfskill says:

I have the same problems. I HAVE NOT been discriminated against for age, yet, because I have not reentered the job market yet. But I have the feeling I will have serious problems when I do, heres why:

1) NO H.S.Diploma, just a GED

2) NO College degree

3) self taught “carburetor era” mechanic , no training on computerized cars.

4) 13 year gap in my resume’ due to being a stay at home dad with two Autistic daughters

5) 45 years old and getting older

6) I have to have $12.50 & 40hrs/wk minimum starting wage to cover what we will loose in income from daughters SSID when I do go back to work.

So, any ideas ? Preferably ones that do not include 10s of thousands of dollars and years of college, making me deeper in debt and older yet.

July 9, 2013 at 3:03 pm
(321) Ohio Gal says:

To commenter #157, Linda in Ohio, (and anyone else)

You can make a “keep your head above water” living by becoming a home health aid. I was aged out of my career in 2010. Moved back to my home state (Ohio) with no idea what I was going to do with the rest of my life. My niece worked in a nursing home as a Certified Nursing Assistant (They are called STNA’s in Ohio) and encouraged me to give it a try. Nursing homes actually seem to prefer hiring middle aged folks, your responsibility and work ethic are appreciated, tho the low pay doesn’t reflect this.

I worked in nursing homes for 1 1/2 years, and found out about private duty home care.
The state of Ohio pays me through Medicaid. I am considered an independent contractor and make 13 dollars an hour, tho I do have to pay my own taxes. Not the greatest situation, but I have been able to keep a roof over my head and I work a 40 hour week. The work can be unpleasant and dull, but it’s better than standing on my feet all day behind a cash register at Walmart.

You don’t need STNA certification to work for the home care program, but it helps, esp if you work with someone who needs total care. My local community college and vocational school offers these courses. Google the phrase “Ohio Home Care Program: Home Care for Consumers in Ohio” for info on becoming an independent provider.

Good luck to all, I am 55 years old, unmarried, no kids and my parents are dead. I used to have a great career, but now I’m grateful for this low paying, low skill job. Sad, I never thought my life would turn out this way. It’s cold comfort to realize I am not alone. Good luck to all of you.

July 10, 2013 at 11:06 pm
(322) Ohio Gal says:

To Mr.Wolfskill

My advice goes to you as well as Linda in Ohio, become a nurses aid. You already have some of the skills and patience required from taking care of your daughters. Nursing homes do hire men for these positions. In fact, the VA nursing homes only employ men, to my understanding.

There were a surprising number of men at the facilities I worked at. As long as you are in reasonably good shape and don’t have any problems with lifting you should be good to go.

You can check with your local community colleges, vocational schools or even some branches of the Red Cross offer training. The first nursing home I worked at offered STNA training, every day for 6 hours a day for a month. The class cost 500 dollars, refunded because they hired me.

If you think you might be interested in this line of work, call some of your local nursing homes and ask where their aides got their nurses aid certification.

It’s really not a bad gig, just wish it paid a little better.

Good luck.

July 13, 2013 at 10:16 am
(323) M.D.A says:

I am about 50. I have been looking for the past 2 years to find a job with another company. I have degrees, certificates as professional in my field of work etc. Nothing works when around 50. The only thought is that Americans really need a bill of laws called Job Act to regulates hiring and firing. Hiring should be based on skills, experience and on an examination test. Today, very very skilled people, with great potential, with great work experience are left at a mercy of low level HR managers. Their job interview questions start with the stupid: ‘where you see yourself in 5 years from now?’ or ‘if I call your previous employer , what would say of you’ ‘ what food you eat the most?’ and so on.
A job is about how you can do it and how your skills, experience and education can help in that job. It should be a test as a first step for hiring. All the candidates should be brought in to take the test,, first step to select the future employees.

We really need a bill of laws called: JOB ACT!
Centers of training for the examination should be considered. The results to be provided to employers and their prospective employees. Then the employer can consider the candidates in the order of the passing score …this rule and many others should be mandatory in the JOB ACT

July 16, 2013 at 7:42 pm
(324) Frank says:

Hi Everyone. First I want to say that I am really sorry to know and see so many cases of people that are being turned away from potential jobs because of age. I am 44, the manager at the place where I work is a couple of years younger, and I can feel that she treats me different, I don’t know if it’s my age or the fact that I hold a degree that I finished on line (I didn’t do all of it online). Because of this I have been sending applications in my area, Raleigh, NC, in NYC and Miami and I can not land a job. I just need to find a job at the staff level, I’m not looking to become the manager of anything or be everybody’s boss. I just want to find a work place where I’m not going to be treated like I am inferior. Sometimes I feel like I am stuck in this company under paid and treated like I’m lower than dust. I am really worried that the only option for me is to stay at this place and put up with the humiliation. I CAN NOT EVEN BELIEVE THAT THIS IS LIFE IN THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD. ARE WE REALLY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA????? I do agree with M.D.A above that a law should be passed.

July 16, 2013 at 10:44 pm
(325) Carol says:

Employers just simply don’t seek value anymore when it comes to hiring. I have seen firsthand the effects of this and how employers don’t want to hire someone based on their age simply because they think they’re too old, too slow, or whatever the reason may be. In reality, many older individuals make far better employees than some of these ‘young-uns’ they have working now.

July 21, 2013 at 2:53 pm
(326) Nick says:

I have been unemployed 14 months and over the last 6 months my health has started to go down hill to the point that I have to wear a back brace and I walk with a cane. Try going into an interview with these two things, the interview lasts 10 – 15 minutes and you never hear back. I am hopeful that I will be able to apply for disability in about a month

July 25, 2013 at 3:03 pm
(327) Josie says:

I am in the same boat as all of you. I was layed off in 2004, after 14 years working at a Fortune 500 company that has since filed for bankruptcy protection. Since then, I’ve had family members with serious illnesses that needed my attention, so I was limited in searching for a job (those family members have now passed away) and there were times when I gave up because there was nothing out there.

In 2011, I went back to school to brush up on my administrative assistant skills. I graduated at the top of my class and had perfect attendance. Shortly after, I found a per diem position, working as a dept. secretary, in the psych ward at a hospital. It was a horrible job and a scary place to work. I left after two months when a patient tried to hit me.

I am now 56, unmarried, no children. My savings are just about depleted and I have no idea what to do. I have had interviews, but no one seems interested in hiring me. I have to assume it’s because of my age because I am more than qualified for any clerical job. Also, if a company wants to know how old an applicant is, they can easily find out. The sad part is, I do not look my age. I am a very young looking 56.

When I was younger and out of a job, I went to temp agencies and they would put me to work right away. Now, they want nothing to do with me.

I will keep applying, but I am running out of hope. I would appreciate any advice anyone has. Thanks.

July 27, 2013 at 7:43 pm
(328) Wil Holloway says:

I find, myself being 48 now, that more and more employers don’t want to pay for experience. The cheaper the labor, the better. I have been in the I.T. field for 7 years now and have My A+, Network+ and MCP for Windows XP and Windows 7 and am currently working on my Server 2008 Active Directory Domain Services certification so I can get my MCITP-E certification. I have had no luck in getting a job for the last four years and it has put a strain on my relationship, as well as my health. I am submitting resumes, putting in applications and even fast food restaurants will not hire me. No callbacks, nothing. I am at my wit’s end with this job search and it’s depressing. I don’t know what else I can do at this point.

July 28, 2013 at 10:37 pm
(329) Linda 47 says:

Wow! I thought it was just me experiencing a run of bad luck not being hired. Hang tough though. You don’t have an option mostly. I say try getting a job at the state prisons as a gaurd. I did this 20 yrs ago and am headed back that way again as my fruitless job search has turned up nada. I don’t relish the idea, but I need an income and a job. I was a Police Officer, jailer, worked in law enforcement 25 + yrs. Hang in and hang on. Something will happen eventually.

July 29, 2013 at 1:09 pm
(330) Trish says:

Part of the problem is paying for experience….employers would hire many “older folks” in a heartbeat if they didn’t have to pay their structured experience level….I have the same problem, too many years of experience puts me in a catagory that they would have to often times start me at the top of the pay scale, and their policies can’t be circumvented thanks to government regulation :( But keeping an open mind and being flexible is the key. I recently returned to work but found that the industry had changed so dramatically that you no longer provide the service you initially started to…my industry was nursing and it is now a paperwork game with the added touch of doping patients to the point they are comatose….staffing levels have decreased by around 1/3 and there is no such thing as a regular shift, to complete the job you need OT and OT gains you a nasty note from administration :( I can’t make as much money being self employed, but it gives me peace of mind and lets me enjoy my final few years of work :) Make a plan outlining your strengths and weaknesses and then see if you can’t offer a service that folks will utilize. Understand your market and make a few contacts, the worst they can say is no and no never hurt anyone!! Good luck to all!!

August 2, 2013 at 11:57 pm
(331) Ellen says:

Dear Latigo,
Your noteworthy comments have planted a seed in the entrepreneur side of my brain. Your idea is brilliant, and yes…”it is possible”. Thank you ;)

~ Once you make a decision, the universe conspires to make it happen.~
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

August 9, 2013 at 2:21 pm
(332) Lydia says:

Companies and corporations are all about cutting costs. Hiring an older worker means that the monthly health insurance premiums will be higher than hiring someone under 35 years of age.
Also it is a well known fact that HR departments and recruiters use Google to check out your name and age.
It is very hard to prove age discrimination and corporations/companies know that. If you are over 40 and looking for work-Good Luck-you are screwed by this system. It is a crime that our country and media is not addressing this issue.
Lydia

August 10, 2013 at 8:34 pm
(333) romyzulueta says:

It’s because interviewers are scared older applicants could outsmart them and get promoted ahead of them.

August 12, 2013 at 8:25 am
(334) MOHAN says:

i fully agree.Everybody wants youngsters.
But the surprising part is they want experience also which youngsters are not having.I do not know where the employers are heading.

August 12, 2013 at 11:56 am
(335) PinkClouds144 says:

Mohan, employers who are hiring people that don’t have experience are heading towards disaster. The quickly way to disaster is to hire employees who are incompetent and unqualified.

Also, a young women with children at home, is not a reliable employee. You can be sure that young woman is going to be absent from work a lot. Children get sick and have a lot more emergencies that need attention. An empty nester is a much more dependable, reliable, and loyal employee.

August 13, 2013 at 1:28 am
(336) stalin says:

I have completed my mechanical engg.at the age of 31 with first class ,also diploma in mechanical in first class .I have known english,hindi,tamil .Good command in english,but having all the skills I can’t able to attend the interview due to age problem.Help me

August 26, 2013 at 10:49 pm
(337) CHERYL says:

IVE HAD SEVERAL INTERWEIWS AT A CASINO AND I WAS ONE OF THE BEST DRESSED AND THE ONE THAT HAD THE MOST EXP.WELL AFTER THE INTERVEIW TWENTY OF US LEAVE.I GOT A LETTER IN THE MAIL SAYING I DIDNT MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.ALOT OF THEM ASK ARE YOU BETWEEN THE AGES 18 TO 40 AND IM 49 WITH ALOT OF ENERGY.BEEN LOOK FOR 6 MONTHS NO LUCK ITS DEPRESSING.

August 27, 2013 at 11:45 am
(338) Kathleen says:

Yes, it gets tougher as you get older. I took my high school/college graduation dates off my resume and do not disclose the information unless specifically asked I am pushing 51, still have a great energy level, and in my estimation, have a minimum of 15 years of good work left in me — that along with a really good skill set and a brain that is accustomed to learning new things all the time. My son is grown, my childbearing years are over, and so are my party days. I can see why all this would scare them. :(

August 27, 2013 at 10:52 pm
(339) Darrell says:

You should come to Newfoundland, because it’s the exact opposite here. Recent grads can’t get a job, because they lack experience… The older people are the ones getting all of the jobs

Also, I find this comment to be a bit assuming and rude… “I have well over 25 years experience and probably forgot more than most college graduates will ever know.” — Will ever know? Give me a break.

August 28, 2013 at 12:31 pm
(340) Tammy says:

Employers are shy to hire an older worker because it is not a match for a position that is beneath their experience and capabilities.

If an 80 year old with a game plan that outlines what they would do for the company in the first 3 months, 6 months and first year it would indicate to the employer that this job candidate is coming in with a “partner mindset.” This person is working towards the companies goals as if they were their own goals.

Think of things that would increase profits, motivate others, expand business, decrease frustration and waste, boost morale etc. Find ways that would take the company to the next level. For instance, many companies are suffering because their marketing is outdated and they are losing revenue. You might discover that their website is outdated or that they are not using modern technology to reach a wider customer base.

Employers complain that older workers are great people with a fantastic work ethic, but just want to get paid for an honest days work. Many employers need someone who can help innovate, motivate and expand or they will go out of business. Clerical, accounting, administrative are 3 areas that processes have changed and software is a great big part of that. More things are done online and we are moving away from paper. There you go – think of ways to cut down paper waste and how to manage an online filing system or how to save on office supplies etc.

August 28, 2013 at 5:59 pm
(341) Mark says:

Depending on the person I think that the 50+ crowd has a lot to offer an employer. We most likely will not be vying for our boss’s job, we have seasoning and wisdom that youth and beauty cannot overcome. Yes we are likely to need a higher salary than a college grad or even someone with 10-15 years of experience but our knowledge and our ability to make a meaningful contribution should merit this. Younger people are just getting started, having families, tied up in relationships and focused on office politics. While they are trying to advance their careers on the backs of their peers we can provide stability and continuity to the job. I am not saying that we should be hired just because we are old; I think we provide something that youth does not. Every company likes to think they hire only the rising stars, but in the end it is us old plow horses that tend to get the real work done. But that does not mean we need to be turned out to pasture. I am 56 and I have maintained my skills, remained current on computer technologies and am quite proficient at my job. I am constantly working circles around my fellow workers that are in their 30′s and 40′s and I think my employer is aware. So I think the key is showing that you can provide real value, have solid work ethics and are willing to show loyalty to your employer. These are the traits I think most employers are really looking for. As long as we can contribute and provide value I think we deserve a place at the table. They just need to get over the fact that they were in diapers when we first entered the workforce.

August 29, 2013 at 3:21 am
(342) A says:

A lot of people in their 40s, 50s and 60s are like most of the posters in the middle management group. , not management a worker. I am in my 50s and unemployed too. However I do not think it is fair to blame the young, they need jiobs too .. and they have not taken yours. Nor even higher management although the long term future of the new model in my opinion is less perfect though more controlled.
One poster mentioned that this did not happen in his parents generation.This is a sort of technological revolution,leapt into on the basis of cost that wipes out large sectors of the middle management and HR staff. It is a business decision and I do not believe it is ageist.
It is difficult to manage on a limited budget, certainly agree with that.
On the plus side, its time to test your wings and all those valuable skills.Let the young learn their generation of skills under the wing of the state. It is our time to fly. I agree with the poster that suggested starting our own businesses. Enjoying and embracing happily our new chosen work life and when the 20 and 30 somethings currently in the workplace get to our age, they will do the same.

August 30, 2013 at 5:00 pm
(343) an older person says:

I am an older individual with 3 college degrees (including an MBA) and extensive experience. The BUSINESS climate has changed in the US as it is a “youthful look” that is now valued, not experience. It does not matter that we older people would work for the same salary as the new grads, the “youthful” looking applicant is chosen because they “fit” the appearance needed not the talents required. There needs to be federal law enacted protecting older workers from age discrimination.

August 31, 2013 at 2:07 am
(344) Mandi7882 says:

It seems easy to blame not hiring older, educated and experienced employees because of youth, but it’s not always about that. It comes down to poor human resources skills. Folks that carry the HR name or department that do not know how to hire, or owners/presidents as sole business owners hiring based on how they were (or were not) hired.

Also, there are so many people writing to applicants on how to conduct themselves in an interview when now it should be where they should write to employers on how NOT to conduct and interview, how to hire the right person, and what laws are in effect. Then there are huge companies that have HR departments and have turned them into accountants and public relations people instead of personnel representatives — so when an opening occurs in a division, they may not know how to attract the right applicants to give the hiring manager a proper choice. And never forget the biggest hiring problem: friends hiring friends. That’s the biggest discrimination of all and no one is doing anything about it.

August 31, 2013 at 4:13 am
(345) David says:

After 40 years of age, unless you have a background as CEO of a major company and you are worth tens of millions of dollars or more, you have only 1 alternative:

YOU MUST BE SELF-EMPLOYED. do not even attempt job interviews. Start your own business even if it is a small one so long as you have ALL the control.

End of story.

August 31, 2013 at 4:16 am
(346) David says:

After age 40: YOU MUST BE SELF-EMPLOYED

September 4, 2013 at 4:27 pm
(347) William Roberts says:

Back in March, 2013 I was fired from my job for ” poor work & falsifying a work order”. I applied for unemployment benefits and it was determined that I was wrongfully terminated. My employer filed a total of 3 appeals. After each appeal it was determined that I was wrongfully terminated. I kept my benefits which are about to run out. I am 61 years old and have spent most of my life as a truck & heavy equipment mechanic. I have applied for all types of jobs and have yet to hear from anyone. Although I was found to have been wrongfully terminated the fact is, I’m still without the job I had planned to work till I could file for SSI in March 2014. I talked to a lawyer about a wrongful termination lawsuit with no luck!

September 10, 2013 at 8:27 pm
(348) Zuleika says:

My problems is going to the interview with confidence. When they look at my resume they feel re-assure they are going to hire me,well I though I was, but they definitely closed the interview with they going to call me. I am not sure why, until i realize that maybe being 40′s is not what they need. i been in a company for an long time and try to look so much for a new career. I apply to over millions of jobs, still not response. I feel desperately annoyed and don’t want to give up, but doing some change in my resume , maybe boost interested, still nothing.

September 10, 2013 at 9:28 pm
(349) Realeducator says:

I’m 55 years old and was laid off in 2010 with the rest of my department. I worked for an urban school system. Yes, Gerber Babies came in and ruined everything, but they paid themselves quite well so it wasnt a money thing, more an age thing. I probably could have stayed with that school system, but chose to take some time off.I was offered a teaching position this past school year, but I turned it down because I found that I had to babysit my grandchildren. Now, I teach at a university part time and I substitute teach. This does not replace the 88 grand I was making in the central office, nor the health insurance but it helps. Teaching is funny, I teach Special Education and there is a great need where I Live. Male, female, old, young, it doesn’t matter. But, it’s really expensive becoming a teacher, nowadays it usually requires a Masters degree and teaching is hard work. Plus the demands on a teacher are really hard now. I have a lot of education, a doctorate but I owe almost 200,000 in school loans. I have not been able to get a full time job ay a university so I just keep deferring my loans. But guys, this issue is so important, I wish that we could somehow mobilize and make this a campaign issue. At the least,we’d get heard.

September 12, 2013 at 6:09 pm
(350) Reality Has Sunk In says:

I am 51. When I was 50 I had an interview for a construction company. They wanted to hire an Administrative Assistant. I have worked for two Fortune 500 companies and am an educated lady. I’ve also worked for large school districts here in Ohio and have management experience.

The company I interviewed with was a family owned company and I believe the two people interviewing me were a mother/daughter team. When I saw that the person who did most of the interviewing was the “20-something” daughter who had a bar piercing going through her tongue I knew I was in trouble.

Of course, I didn’t get the job. I’m still unemployed. I have quality computer skills and organizational skills that only come with many years of experience. I worked for the largest appliance company in the industry for several years when I lived in another state. My attendance record is impeccable.

I’ve recently interviewed for a local position that pays between $8-9 per hour. My skills used to command $20 per hour. I will take the job if it is offered to me because I think it is a job I will enjoy. And we need the money. But time will tell if I am chosen; after all I’ve been through I won’t hold my breath. If I get the job I will count it as a pleasant surprise.

This is very depressing. I keep praying that God will intervene because I’m at my wit’s end.

September 13, 2013 at 6:09 am
(351) Malcolm says:

I’m 55 and have been out of work for over 3 years. My trade was always in I.T but the contract market dried up and no one wanted me anymore at my age as a permanent member of staff in I.T . I then changed careers to property personal searches which was great until the housing market crashed 3/4 years ago. I’ve now applied for several hundred jobs at all levels including part time, cleaning and temp in all industries. I’ve had a hand full of interviews but no luck. My partner earns a low wage working for the NHS but it puts us just above the threshold for claiming any benefits. I did claim job seekers (NI contributions based) for a few months but that ran out and now I’m told there is not a thing I can claim for or any courses I can be given even though the my son has been offered loads (Government is ageist)? I stopped signing on after that as I have enough contributions to get a state pension. I would be so interested to find out the real figures (not the governments) for people of our age (50′s upwards) that have slipped off the unemployed radar. I’m guessing it’s hundred’s of thousands if not more.

September 16, 2013 at 1:54 pm
(352) Kevin says:

I’m a successful 53 year-old marketing professional and the one thing that irritates me is that an interview will go great (or seem to) but they’ll hire someone much younger and with far less experience. I know this because I follow up on LinkedIn to see who filled the position. Almost every time it was someone about 20 years younger or more with almost no prior experience to the position. The only thing I can think of is the company went for someone willing to take a lower salary.

Another odd thing is most of the people who filled the positions were younger attractive women. Is that a factor? Who knows. It’s just “interesting.”

One example: I interviewed with a company four times, each time with a higher level person. Both the HR Director and the VP of Sales (who I would report to) told me that they loved my work and I was their favorite candidate among the three people they were considering. The VP even high-fived me during my presentation. lol.

After that meeting, I didn’t hear anything from anyone. None of my phone calls or emails were returned. A month later I received a FedEx envelope with a one paragraph form letter saying they decided to select another candidate. Later I learned on LI that the other candidate was a very attractive woman with very little marketing experience. She also possessed no experience in that company’s industry, while I had worked for two companies in the same industry.

Like I said. Odd.

September 19, 2013 at 11:05 am
(353) Getting left behind in FL says:

Hi all,
I am 37 years old and I feel like there are NO jobs left out there. I became disabled in 2009 so, I have been out of work for almost 5 years now. I have been actively searching for a job for over a year. I have also tried a government agency to help disabled people, they didn’t help at all. I have experience teaching, editing, marketing, all types of office work, Microsoft, Adobe creative suite, Goldwave, Web design, and graphic design.

I have to make at least $15 an hour to make it worth it to go back to work (what I get for disability compared to income minus gas). I have interviewed for teacher, office worker, housekeeper, and childcare provider. And the jobs I interviewed for it always seems like it goes great but then NO CALL. I was offered two jobs. One as a teacher, working 7:30 to 6 for $10, that’s not even close to what other teachers are paid and not close to what I need. And the second one was working in a office from 5AM – 8PM for $12 an hour. Because of my family responsibilities (two children 13 & 17) I couldn’t work those hours much less for that pay.

I have applied to over 200 jobs just since June. I know that soon as they see I’ve been disabled and out of work, they move on. I am honestly at my wits end. So many people complain about people who take money from the government, but when someone WANTS to work, it seems like the cards are stacked against them.

September 19, 2013 at 10:58 pm
(354) Chris says:

To compete in today’s market, you must have the right skills. dIANNA’s poor typing would hurt her if she does that on a resume or application. Also, in today’s world of the internet, etc, it is known that all caps is considered yelling. Learn the proper skills and etiquette before trying to apply for a job or else you will fail for sure (BTW I misspelled etiquette but luckily, the self checker corrected it for me. That is a feature you must learn to use!). I am 55, have been unemployed since 2009, about to lose what little money is left in the bank (except for the IRA) and have no house (rented all these years except the one house with the ex wife and she got it in the divorce). No friends want to help, the area I live in is all oil field based OR lawyers. I am technical (Telecommunications and IT) but the pay for new hires is 1/3 what I was making (I got released illegally and since I am under a NSA, I cannot go into details but yes, it has caused me..try telling a potential employer why you cannot discuss why you left that company!) Tried to go it alone with my own company but most of my potential customers backed out (lied) and left. Soooo, here I am living in an extended stay hotel because noone will rent to someone not employed. Spending $800 a month for a hotel room doesn’t help any and there is no other place to go. I guess I’ll sell my 38 before I consider using it (don’t want to get to that!)..OH and because of both my ears have tinnitus, I have to take meds to knock me out. Literally. I am out for 4-5 hours a night. So I cannot take on a job that calls for 24×7 on call. That eliminates a lot of jobs in my field right there.

September 21, 2013 at 12:39 pm
(355) Tim says:

Hi everyone. I find myself waiting for my career in the Federal government to end. I’m 58 years old now. I do not have a degree but I do have 25 years of extremely complex levels of computer experience. Self taught I’ve done everything from building a home computer to extremely large corporate networks with a very high success rate. Now because of economic burdens, I’m being treated like dirt on the bottom of a shoe, humiliated in front of coworkers, and more things than I can mention here. They are obviously trying to get people to quit. I’d love to oblige that wish but now find my age and lack of degree, a complete show stopper for employment! Now what? Any suggestions are welcome.
Thanks and the very best of luck to everyone here!

September 22, 2013 at 5:31 am
(356) Etherial says:

Why is everyone scolding Kim? It’s true, her presentation (sorry for your plight) is reflective of either all or part of her skills. Misspelled wording and lack of good grammar sends the wrong message to viewers, who probably do sympathize with you or at least, want to is made difficult by the tone and laxness in putting your point across.

I really am sorry you’ve been discriminated against because of your age. I will be 58 when I graduate from a culinary school and am scared out of my mind. I am up against 19-20-something year olds that I believe think they know a thing or two about the kitchen, but I’ve been cooking for over 40 years and not just “family” meals. I’ve made hollandaise sauce in the 70′s when it was popular, along with carbonara, steak au poivre, etc., long before they even knew how to spell it. Some still don’t, but what gets me is how unfriendly they are to me. No respect for my age or the spewing of profanity left and right.

I really am scared because I retired after 21 years as a legal secretary and even though I made an excellent wage, I was unhappy. Cooking great food and managing sanitation in the kitchen, and having a good and welcoming attitude will get me far.

I just wish the world would stop seeing young people as key to their success when a well-oiled machine is all they really need.

September 23, 2013 at 5:20 am
(357) TJ says:

I was laid off after 20 years of service with minimal severance pay at 54 ,
company went through a major reorganization where they closed the head office in the USA and laid off many senior people and moved the head office to the UK . After 1200 resumes and 5 interviews for jobs that never materialized ,am totally demoralized . I can see that the work market is all for the young and regardless of technical skillsets and experience – there are no jobs to be had . Its is a brutal truth to be forcibly “retired ” in your mid 50′s . Thank God for personal retirement savings that I accrued during my most productive work years !
Government support for retraining etc is absent and lots of hot air about how they are “growing: the economy ! Its all a crock to deceive voters !

September 23, 2013 at 4:35 pm
(358) jb says:

These are strange times but there is one mistake that people our age (58)have to quit making – we have to quit thinking that the old days are coming back! What everyone here has described is NOT a strange happenstance – it is the new normal! This is the plan!

There are 100 applicants for every position thanks to the vast over abundance of colleges. HR managers may be heartless but they are not dumb. They are well aware that they can get , not two, but three college grade for what one of us used to make with a BA and 25 years experience.

And since the job applicant pol is just absolutely glutted with degrees of every size, shape, and form how in the world can anyone stand out? Well, unless you can cure cancer and pilot the next mission to the moon you can’t! Maybe if ya had an MBA from Wharton and a JD from Harvard that might get ya in the door but at 58 the odds are probably a wash.

The sad truth is that if you have a job you can probably get another one – there’s nothing head hunters and HR departments love better than stealing employees. But if you’re unemployed and over 50, God help ya!

There is no doubt that age discrimination is now the norm – what is surprising is that so many are still arguing about whether or not it exists.

September 26, 2013 at 3:45 am
(359) paola says:

I am 34 years old and I’m finding all this very shocking ,my stepfather retired a year ago now he drinks a lot and is in and out of the hospital all the time ,I dont know what to do to help him,I see that he is not alone ,he has alway such a hard worker and now he can find a job ,please help me ,I wanto know how to help him????

September 27, 2013 at 1:03 am
(360) TomD says:

A lot of people jumped on poor Kim for pointing to something that is a pretty basic problem for a lot of us older job seekers. That is a lack of digital communication skills. So please don’t feel put down – instead try to build those skills to always keep the focus on you – not your typing.

Rule One: never type with your “Caps” button on. Sorry but that will kill your application before it even gets read.

Rule Two: always re-read what you type out loud, before you hit send. As we get older our brains always seem to misfire while typing!

Hope that helps – best of luck with your job search!

September 29, 2013 at 2:01 am
(361) Sara says:

Let’s start an employment agency. The standard for hiring:
“No One Under 50 Need Apply.”
(Of course we don’t SAY this — just kind of like how hiring heads “don’t say” the opposite about us.)
The experience and knowledge in our agency is worth millions . . .

September 30, 2013 at 2:38 am
(362) Interviewsuccessformula says:

So how old is too old to get a job? You are never to old to get a job based on your age. It really comes down to can you handle the daily responsibilities of going to work and getting the job done, and also being healthy enough to deliver the results that a company can count on. If you walk into a job interview and can show that you are clear headed, dedicated, hard working, and enthusiastic regardless of age you can get a job.

October 1, 2013 at 4:53 pm
(363) Kent says:

Whether it is said rudely, or compassionately, the fact remains that no one will hire you unless you are able to communicate effectively. Typing in all caps, no matter what the circumstance, shows a lack of understanding in the digital world. Poor grammar and spelling will cut you off at the knees. What business do you know of that would allow any kind of communication, either internal or external, to be circulated in that manner? None. Exclaiming that “you have no idea what this woman has been through” is a totally emotional and irrelevant response. It doesn’t matter what she’s been through, she’s applying for the same jobs that hundreds of others apply to that have also “been through” a lot! No excuses. If you want to work at an older age (I’m 55), then you need to step up and fit the position, not expect the position to fit you. It’s a dog-eat-dog world, so be the top dog!

October 2, 2013 at 8:09 pm
(364) Angela says:

I used to be in mid-level management until being laid-off in JAN 2009.

I’ll be almost 55 when I complete my MS. I’ve been out of conventional work a long while now. I started my AA in 2006 for a promotion ha ha ha.

Now I have a recent AA, BA, and working on the MS. Have volunteered local and abroad. Thousands of resumes sent out. Thousands of dollars spent on hiring resume designers and head-hunter. Nothing.

Recently, I interviewed for a job where the HR person was dressed in her jammies with a Pebbles hair knot on her head. Her glasses were dirty and she herself looked like she had just rolled out of bed to make our interview at picnic table in the employee lounge. Content Editor for a web portal to wellness. $10 an hour. 5 days a week. 2 hours a day. No remote work. On site only. I told her the wage and weekly f2f requirement wouldn’t even cover gas and it should have been posted in the ad.

She responded…”Yeah, I hear that a lot”. “But a job’s a job.” “Gets your foot in the door”. WTF?

I totally agree with those that post about an HR Staffing firm for seasoned applicants…oh wait! That’s age discrimination :-(

October 8, 2013 at 3:29 pm
(365) Ginger says:

I am 46 and out hunting for jobs. It is depressing. I have been looking for a decent job since 2008. After selling our salon, I took a part time receptionist job at a car dealership just to get my foot in the door, great company to work for. After a year, they laid off me and others.

Since then it has been horrible. I tried working the schools lunch kitchens as a substitute. Had a few calls to work and then it dropped off.
I thought perhaps it was my performance but I had one school that requested me so I don’t think performance was the issue.
I have been working with my mom designing and selling clothes for gift shows for some income but it is not enough.

I had a group interview this morning with World Market for a seasonal position. It was myself and two really young kids. Neither one of them smiled during the interview or even seemed happy to be there. I certainly outshined them but will I get the job, I just don’t know.

Office jobs, I don’t get any calls after submitting resumes or applications.
Have experience there too.

From other posters I guess I should feel lucky. I was offered a two night a week job at a retail store for $8.00 an hour. The manager would not tell me how many hours, just that there could be more. What? I turned it down.

It’s depressing, I feel like an idiot. All of these skills but no one wants them. My son and I live with my parents because I cannot find a job that will pay me enough for us to have our own place. Well then, work two jobs. Well, the jobs I have applied for and interviewed for want you to be available any day, anytime. But will only pay $8 an hour.

I am just so frustrated!
I feel like family is looking at me as a bum, not realizing they all have great jobs and didn’t get laid off.

Good luck to us all.

October 9, 2013 at 2:52 pm
(366) Terri L. says:

People ask me if I’ve tried employment agencies. What a joke! I’ve tried all the agencies around my area. You walk in and there’s an 18-year-old twit at the front desk.. Then when you talk with one of the employment counselors, they also are another 18-year-old twit. All you have to do is walk into an employment agency nowadays and they’re already turned off on you. They act interested, but you never hear from them again.

October 11, 2013 at 2:20 pm
(367) Gabrielle Bowers says:

first of all, I don’t understand what the letters URL mean below the email address. now, I am very much like the person I read about who filled out over 1000 job applications and when they reviewed her application she never got hired. When they see how long you have worked on a job no matter how much experience you have they wont even consider you. How can we live on social security when that’s all you have and you have a mortgage to pay , a car payment to pay and other bills that take up the entire check leaving you nothing to buy groceries ,clothes prescriptions gasoline or anything else. Just what are we supposed to do? You cant live on social security these days. I am 74 years old and I am single and I still need to work and am quite capable. Gabrielle

October 11, 2013 at 8:02 pm
(368) Cocohat says:

Obviously, anyone who types in full caps with typos is not the best advocate for consideration…unless someone is having a “laugh”.

October 13, 2013 at 10:33 pm
(369) Alias says:

Ageism, sexism, racism, its all the same. the ones who complain the most are the ones who will be employed the least. don’t even mention that you are unemployed to ANYONE.First off, it’s none of their business, secondly you don’t want them to associate you with being jobless. Just get your degree and if they still won’t hire you then MOVE to a new city. Unless you want to stay unemployed that is.

October 14, 2013 at 11:29 am
(370) Natalie says:

I am 49 and just started my new job last year as a Director in a hospital (a completely new field). I have never had a problem getting a new job because I work up (higher responsibility), I get the right training and certifications for my job and I get more education if needed. If you are trying for jobs against 20 and 30 year old individuals…why? You should be competing with older workers which means management.

I left formal IT about 10 years ago for a security review job. I then left that for a senior slot at another company in the same…then I went and received regulatory training which then led to my job today.

The problem I see is when older workers try for job that are usually filled by 20 year old (entry level) or they keep trying for jobs in the same level they have worked for 30 years. I have yet to meet a director that is younger than 35-40 because you need the ground experience.

Gabrielle, if you do not know what URL means then you need to go get some technical training because there is not a job in the world anymore that does not require a person to have technical knowledge.

October 15, 2013 at 4:02 pm
(371) Pat says:

I’m 53 was laid on April 30th, 2013 from a Systems Admin job. I’ve been on 5 interviewsonly one in person.I believe their are jobs in my field but there is also age discrimination going on. No way a 20 something or 30 something can complete on skills. Good luck to everyone

October 16, 2013 at 12:50 am
(372) JC says:

Natalie, what type of work did you do prior to getting this new job? I assume you were in the management in your prior profession. It isn’t really possible to get a director job anywhere without a solid management experience. I tell younger people to try transitioning into the project leads and the management positions after some years, while they were employed.

October 19, 2013 at 3:50 pm
(373) Mari-lynn blomster says:

Loris Gifts stores you will find across the county in hospitals. They carry over two hundred stores, and you will see a wide span of employees from many walks of life. Las Vegas, Nevada has two stores of which I am one store manager over 55 years old. And, now still looking for those high end salespersons, who have worked in retail, looking for a part time job. Oct.18, 2012

October 20, 2013 at 12:37 pm
(374) Wendy says:

I began college at 38 years old, after my youngest daughter was 1 year old. I decided, no more $8.00 jobs, my time was worth more than that. Now at 48, I have a BA in English, writing, professional and creative, a minor in photography. I have my own leather business, which of course doesnt pay the high cost of living now in this country, a Masters in English Literature, and a huge student loan debt, so much for land of the free–right. I have several successful grant awards in the arts, and am on my second BA for Fine Art.
None of this is paying off, I have applied to place after place all over this country, and never get a call for an interview, while I have superior writing skills.
The truth is companies, universities, etc.. dont want to hire someone they have to pay benefits and insurance to, Universities now rely on adjunct teachers for most courses, and unless you are into science, math or technology there is no work out there which pays. It’s sad, but this country is based on who can make more money, it’s not about the people at all, while small business crash, banks go up in there place.
People loose their homes to foreclosure, yet banks offer up no lending solutions, just ways to raise the credit score to make it even more impossible for the average family to purchase a home.
As it goes “the rich get richer…”
I am stating this without even mentioning the cost of an education which with no job how do you pay off that $100,000 student loan debt.
Truly a big problem nobody running the country wants to take care of.

Fed up with wasting time applying for career positions to no avail!

October 21, 2013 at 6:11 pm
(375) Dwayne says:

I’m 49 and haven’t worked since April 6th, 2011. I had a full arrest heart attack (widow maker) on April 7th. My job has since been filled with a much younger version of me which I understand. I have worked for 2 banking giants but since the mortgage business busted, there’s not much there except commission only jobs (No Thanks). Have sent out a couple hundred resumes and gotten a few phone interviews. When they ask about job gaps and I say the word “heart attack,” the interview ends very quickly. I had 2 personal interviews with pretty good companies in the sales area. Short story………………As soon as they saw me, I knew I was gone. Good luck

October 22, 2013 at 4:07 pm
(376) Richard W says:

maybe Dianne should check her CV for spelling mistakes !!

October 31, 2013 at 12:06 am
(377) Patsy says:

I’m 60 and about to lose my job at a major financial institution due to downsizing. Unfortunately they are downsizing a lot of older workers and a few younger ones too. I have been sending out resumes for a many months as I knew this was coming. I’ve read all the tips provided for senior job seekers but nothing has worked. I’m very qualified for all the jobs I’ve applied for. So you spend 1 hour filling out the application and an email is received that states it looks as if I’m qualified for this position but please take this “personality” test. After 45 minutes, I complete the test. Five minutes after completion I receive another email that I am not what they are looking for. BASED ON WHAT? Is it my responses to the ridiculous questions (that could have multiple answers based on specific circumstances)? Is it because you changed up the questions and asked them 2 or 3 times in a different format to see if I am consistent in my responses? How dare you judge my work ethic and integrity on a questionnaire? It’s time for a REVOLUTION my fellow mid-life and senior workers. We have to rise once again and fight for our rights to work. What are your thoughts?

October 31, 2013 at 3:02 am
(378) Mike says:

I am 34 and feel like I have already been relegated to the scrap yard. I graduated from a top 30 undergrad program and worked for two different hedge funds. The big mistake I made was not quitting my job at 27 when I wasn’t married or had kids to earn a MBA. I thought experience would trump an MBA. I was wrong and the lack of that advanced degree combined with my age and salary history has basically made me toxic to recruiters and HR firms. Now I work part time at a hotel arranging pool deck chairs and distributing towels. My only saving grace is that I haven’t bit on those second tier MBA programs that are still stupid expensive and don’t provide the proper network for obtaining employment upon completion.

November 3, 2013 at 3:07 pm
(379) Katt says:

I can’t sleep anymore for worry. I have no income, high debt, low credit rating due to divorce shenanigans/stealing by exhusband, my own college loan debt (thinking a degree would help me get hired), parent plus loans for the kids (who have high debt also due to student loans themselves) etc. They can only find PT min wage jobs, all still live with me. I can’t even get hired for those. I have no relevant/recent experience to put on a resume except a great education and 4.0 GPA… which means nothing.
My future is grim. If I cannot get hired I will be homeless too young for social security – and the loan debt will be pulled from that anyway if I can’t pay it off by then. Scared as hell. I’ve applied to over 400 jobs, entry level, can’t volunteer anymore duo to high gas prices. Recruiters won’t touch me as they can’t place me. Go back to college & add more debt at age 58? Feel like I’m putting the nails in my own coffin if I do.

November 4, 2013 at 11:25 am
(380) Shahram says:

I am 45 years old & most time I fill don for to find job and I’ve seen the age issue for several years in my profession. Programmers are all young, right? Once you hit 40 you can’t handle the “fast paced” work environment. My resume opens doors, but my bald head evokes snickers.I having good attendance but so frustration.
I ask myself is age, skin,because I’m fariner but my nationality is British !!!!!!!& when I see original British Is difficult to find job ????!!!!! & ask myself again what abut me:((((((
I am an ex professional football player & I trained with England, LEEDS UTD football club & DONCASTER ROVER football club from the year 1991 to 1994 & now so what :(

November 8, 2013 at 10:30 pm
(381) GC says:

During my 30+ years in the corporate life, I was laid off 8 times. My last layoff was 2 years ago when I was 58. I managed to land a job after my previous 7 layoffs. However, this time at my age, I will probably never work again. Good luck everyone.

November 15, 2013 at 6:47 am
(382) Venslofsky says:

I’ve found the worse offenders are the recruitment agencies who seem to want to impress their clients with young, savvy candidates instead of the more mature candidate who can offer another dimension in terms of reliability, common sense and loyalty.

I am lucky enough to look 20 years younger than I am and I keep very fit and eat healthily. However, as soon as I list 1988 as the date I commenced my first job, it is like a death knell to my CV. I know that the jobs I have applied for match almost 100% to my qualifications and experience but I never hear anything back.

Employers know the value of older employees but if the jobs are being recruited via employment agencies, I fear that the mature employee will continue to be discriminated against.

Having recruited staff in the past as part of my job, I have always invited suitable older candidates for interview and recruited where they matched the job. If they are not being put forward by the agencies to the employer, then the problem will persist.

The agencies talk about acting fairly, without discrimination but I have to say that is not my finding at the moment. Hopefully it will change!

November 24, 2013 at 10:34 pm
(383) John @ HowToBeHeadhunted.com says:

Older professionals frequently don’t know how to market themselves. It comes down to making “supporting evidence for one’s skill” available online, along with showing comfort with modern technology. That comfort must be both with tactics–how to use Twitter, for example–but also strategy–as in, when and why.

November 28, 2013 at 4:51 am
(384) Maxei says:

It may not make any difference this post, but, who knows?
I propose that every “older” job hunter, who feels discriminated for his/her age, writes to their corresponding senator, to reveal the discrimination that is rampant in this country.
There must be a law that forbids discriminate for age to hire workers. Maybe in some physically demanding jobs that is necessary, but not in others, such as management, teaching, research, sales, etc.
Or, don’t politicians fear that retirees won’t be able to receive support? well, many retirees have done so because they can’t get a job. One solution is to allow retirement age to be greater than 65; they can support themselves.

November 29, 2013 at 8:15 pm
(385) Barry says:

Hi,
Well for all of you who are about to try and get that job you really want and you are feeling too old or being told you are too old read my story and you may just feel that you are never too old to get that job.
I am sixty one. Yes sixty one and I have just secured a permanent job with a contract working with The Nursing Clinical Team at my local hospital. It’s a bit like nursing but without being registered.
Yes I know that I was once registered and therefore I possess the skills needed for my new role but like you I felt I had no chance. I logged onto the NHS job web site and applied for four similar posts. The first interview went ok but I did not get the job. “It was a close run thing and it was hard for us to choose” That’s what I was told after the interview and I assumed that it was just down to my age. Nevertheless I attended a further interview. Another rejection. The third position I never had a reply but the fourth application brought yet another interview and by that time I was really believing that it was an age thing and that they were just going through the motions as the NHS has to abide by the no age bar policy. In fact at the interview I was brazen enough to say to the chair person that my wife had told me that she thought I had no chance due to my age. I was told in no uncertain terms that we don’t even look at the age we look at the experience. I went away still thinking I had no chance. Now four weeks later as the NHS are not quick but very thorough at vetting new staff I today had an email to say “You have got the job. You had extremely good references and we would like you to start in January with The Nursing Clinical Support Team.
A dream job for me at 61. Why am I even wanting a job at sixty one ? To pay off the remaining two years school fees for our son and most of all to feel useful and to do my bit for society.
So don’t give up. If you really want that job keep applying.

December 1, 2013 at 5:07 am
(386) Cseve says:

You know I’m retired… did quite well at what I did. Supervised a department of 13 plus in a corporate office of a well know grocery chain. After taking caring of my father I found it necessary to go back to work but because of my age it became impossible to fine that kind of pay again. Now I work at minimum wage to add to my income… so sad that it does not help much. Although I give 100% plus… there are no bennies… they do take advantage of my knowledge and me being me I give it willingly. The sad part about it is that because of my age there or should I say in this business there is no moving forward I am finding that the youth rule and the old just get ignored. (treated like the redhead stepchild)… I can see many reasons why this particular business at this particular place is not making the profit it should. But it is what it is ….

December 1, 2013 at 1:02 pm
(387) Donnalee says:

My husband has been the victim of corporate downsizing and restructuring. twice in 10 years. He was successful as a senior level manager who received top reviews. As companies are acquired, they tend to bring in their own people. What he is seeing is not the hiring of younger less experienced workers, but those workers who have a great track record in those areas companies see as an answer to waste and low productivity. He began working as a consultant making better money. He is essentially doing what he did in manufacturing, but as a consultant, he gets more respect, better pay and opportunities to decide if he wants to work for a particular company. Consultants tend to stand out more because they are under the financial microscope. If the consultant is awesome, this news will go to the top. I am also a consultant (and nurse) in the areas of healthcare management and quality. We wish you and other “seasoned” workers the best. Believe in yourself. If you think you are better than most in your field, get in the consulting business. Educate yourself in your field all you can. Find a great resume service. Don’t give up!

December 4, 2013 at 1:16 pm
(388) clifford says:

this is not just a problem for those who are old now but for everyone, because eventually the young that are replacing us will be old one day to. so what the young should be doing is trying to come up with a plan for the old to get back into the workforce thereby insuring a place for themselves when they get old. If the ages to recieve SSI are 62,66 and 70 then the workforce should be able and willing to hire all the way up to the age 70. if you’re 60 and you can’t retire until 62 then somebody has to hire you. The hiring practices of employers need to be investigated.

December 4, 2013 at 1:57 pm
(389) Valerie says:

I have been out of work since November 2012. I have two MBA’s in Marketing and MIS. I have various roles in my employment including head of Operations, Business Development, Account Management, Product/Project Management and IT development. I have made numerous improvements for companies by increasing top line revenue, reducing operating costs and improving profit margins. What the heck is going on in corporate america today. Every position I have had I was laid off because of the financial conditions of companies. I am a process improvement and turn around expert. What I have witnessed is that even though corporations want to improve ( that is what they say ) senior management does not want to improve because it makes them look bad. It is a sad reality but it is a result of extremely poor leaders in corporate america. So the end result of being out of work this long: soon I will be homeless – when I run out of money. This is extremely disturbing to me. The US needs to help us over 50 age people get work by incentives to corporate america in hiring us.

December 6, 2013 at 11:42 pm
(390) Don says:

I’m 71, I landed the best job of my life at age 58, the company had to relocate after 9/11/01, I didn’t want to pack up and relocate with them, as offered with a big salary raise. I started searching, and the Monday after my last day with the company, I landed another job, and it became the best of my life. I don’t believe that ones attitude is everything. I retired last year, but I believe I could land another job, if I wanted, however I’m ready to enjoy retirement. I believe a belief in God and His Son has been a big part of my contentment. I never felt discriminated against by other employees, as some were much younger than I. Don’t give up looking for your dream job, no matter your age.

December 8, 2013 at 3:10 pm
(391) lovingsunnyflorida says:

In response to John (383): How stupid of us all thinking we are not getting hired, by the John’s of this world, because of our age when all we need to do is set up a TWITTER account. John, you are a perfect example of the stupidity that us “older” professionals have to deal with. Why do you assume we are not comfortable with modern technology nor have kept up-to-speed with it? Who do you think were the employees when computers (modern technology) were brought into the workplace? What skill set is needed to have a Twitter account and why do you refer to Twitter as a tactic? Your comments are so frustrating! Four years ago my company underwent a major overhaul in our accounting/billing computer software, which required a strategic plan for its implementation. It was not the 20-30 years old who were asked to partake in its execution, but me, the 52 year old. It was the 20-30 year olds that had the hardest time in understanding and adjusting to these changes.
As for your comment on “supporting evidence for one’s skill available online,” what are you talking about? Where on-line would you like me to outline this – Facebook? (‘Linkedin’ is not for your average job seeker.) I have awards and written letters of recommendations from my employers and an exemplary resume, all of which were provided to every position applied for. As for skill demonstration, why don’t you take the time to read our resumes? Or is it that you have no personal experience in our field to even comprehend what is written on them? One employment agency recruiter was so bold as to make a comment of surprise (because of my age) about my scoring on their skill tests being the highest ever.
Your ignorant comment about us “older” professionals not knowing how to market ourselves is so juvenile. And what on earth do you mean by “strategy–as in, when and why?” Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn how to write a sentence conveying a complete thought.

December 8, 2013 at 6:31 pm
(392) GC says:

I agree with lovingsunnyflorida about John’s comments. He was just advertising his website. His post should be removed.

December 10, 2013 at 9:48 pm
(393) PJ says:

A BA earned with honors, graduate work, and 25 years of experience apparently mean nothing.
My first name is Phyllis, so it’s obvious I’m not 20-something. People don’t read past my name. At least some of you have had interviews. I don’t look old enough to be a Phyllis, but I don’t get the chance to even walk into a room to meet anyone. Apparently, going by PJ hasn’t helped.
I’ve often thought that all of us older “rejects” ought to band together to form our own companies – and refuse to hire anyone under the age of 40. When I recruit for my company, I’ll be keeping an eye out for anyone with names like Amber, Brittany, and Taylore, all names that generally are found among children who do not belong at Seniors-R-Us.

December 13, 2013 at 3:10 am
(394) Jim says:

I have been looking for a job, any kind of jobs, for over 2 years now. I was laid off 3 times in the past 10 years. My last job lasted 3 months, was hit by a project cancellation, I was one of 25 people who got let go. It was my shortest job in my career. I am older than most of you… I still check the internet job sites but I had 2 phone interviews in the past 18 months. Those 2 phone interviews were with companies located outside of my State. My focus has slowly shifted toward the survival.. how to survive… I guess it is time for me to retire… unfortunately it is a forced retirement. Yes, I should have better prepared myself for the retirement at my age.. but many unexpected things do happen in life.. Take care, everyone.

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January 2, 2014 at 8:20 pm
(396) JefG says:

I’m almost 62 with several degrees (some recent) and plenty of hands-on skills and people skills. It doesn’t matter. After being rejected over 150 times in one year and most often for age, I’ve decided to stop trying to swim against the current. Look, it’s not lack of skills or education or know-how or a well written resume or a great FB page. Companies are not going to hire us as we represent a risk to any health insurance plan they may have, we don’t look like the other kids in the sandbox and we can spot BS a mile away and we are usually less willing to trade our integrity for their expediency. We really need to band together and form our own agencies, companies and even organizations to help each other. That’s what I’ve decided to do and have begun. Get into action with each other and stop waiting for things to change. Be the change! Good luck to you all.

January 10, 2014 at 1:14 pm
(397) Rokadara says:

Why can’t the government give tax breaks to companies that hire people 60 years and older? They do it with minorities etc…. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a company that hires mostly seniors citizens?

January 10, 2014 at 10:51 pm
(398) rajbob says:

Sorry to know that all the aged from all over the world are facing same problem. I am from india crying for job till date. now i am 47. No govt. job after completing my technical education. Where to go whom to say. Full of corruption in every level. No money for doing business. Father make us honest,don’t go for illegal. Can not bear to see mother pale face regarding our condition. Feeling uneasy in front of my only child. A very positive attitude towards society. but loosing slightly

January 14, 2014 at 1:59 pm
(399) NI says:

I too, have sent out 100′s of Resumes (engineering degree), received a few calls, emails and phone interviews too. Later after contact with the screeners (human liars and software), number one answer; you are over qualified or our requirements have changed.

In recent years the motivational big push is get kids in STEM or STEAM programs. The future must bring ample opportunities for this group of kids, however, the best thing they can do to secure a better future, study, study, study, grab some experience and start their own businesses.

Today’s greedy corporate giants have no great love for this country; just their bottom line, rising stocks, gained by overseas investments. Politicians no big help either, just keeping their own jobs and keeping their pockets full.

Thanks for listening and good luck!

January 19, 2014 at 9:38 pm
(400) lani says:

I am BSC-Accounting major 48 yrs old. full time mom for 16 yrs. Now I want to work but where, what ,..so frustrating I do not know what to do. Nobody hires me, bec. I’m too old to start a career. Somebody help me please.

January 21, 2014 at 4:48 pm
(401) toc3 says:

Oh lani, I had to comment. I was a full time mom for 20 years. I got a divorce in 2011 and my ex had to pay me spousal support. He’s taking me back to court because he wants to pay me less. One of the things I had to do was get a Vocational Assessment. It was ordered by the court and my ex hired the guy.
I do not have a college degree. I have a huge employment gap and I’m 51. This ‘vocational counselor’ said I should have no problem getting a job. In fact his stats said 75% of women my age are employed.
I was so disheartened until I saw all these comments. I have applied everywhere! Starbucks, Lowe’s, Home Depot…even McDonald’s! Nothing. NADA. I think it is an age thing. I am computer proficient, intelligent and smart. I raised three adult children who are all decent law abiding citizens and you know what? It means NOTHING.
Anyway, thank-you for letting me vent. Thank-you to all the comments of people who are my age and have impressive resumes, experience, education and STILL can’t get hired.

January 23, 2014 at 2:03 am
(402) Mike says:

Wow what a blog.

I am not going to go into the reasons why we all find ourselves in the position of unemployment after many years of hard work(every situation is different)but rather seek to find a solution to get out of the Sh…t we are in. We all understand the dynamics of how the world works at our age. There are a tremendous amount of skilled and learned people in this blog. The question is how do we get ourselves back up and running and making money to be able to survive?

It makes people feel better when they can sit and write about their frustrations and hope that someone will help them. The reality is you will not find any help unless you help yourself. People are so under pressure to survive that there is simply no time to think of others. Not having and income is hard. Losing your pride, self-worth, dignity the list goes on is part of the course. It sneaks up behind you and before you know it bytes you in your backside. It is in most cases not your fault but rather the way the world ticks.

I am sure with all this brain power, ideas of employment can be brought to the fore. Brainstorm. For example something created online to help people get Jobs. I am not talking about private websites or Government sites that are infiltrated by self-enrichment scoundrels. I am talking about a real humanitarian web site/app that really links and networks people for FREE. One hand washes the other. I help someone who helps someone else or connects someone or knows someone in your area that can help you. The youngsters do it today it’s called networking. Food for thought.

January 26, 2014 at 7:56 am
(403) SUHARSH says:

My age is 58 year . I have a suggestion PLEASE GIVE INCOME TAX BENEFIT TO THE COMPANIES AROUND THE WORLD EQUAL TO THE SALARY PAID TO SENIOR CITIZEN . IT SHOULD BE MUST FOR EACH COMPANY TO GIVE EMPLOYMENT TO SENIOR CITIZEN

January 28, 2014 at 11:56 am
(404) OLJ says:

Here is my situation.
I have a Master degree, but no jobs. I was able to get an Ed associate job for $12/ hour for 3 hours a day. Anyways, I tried to change jobs at the district. The jobs range between librarian to tech support. I would interview and then no luck.

I found out that my Ed associate job might have put me under a contract where I can’t change positions until 1 year.
Anyways, last month I quit my job because I started losing my voice. I want to apply for this tech job that is open now. Now, if I don’t even get an invitation to the interview, is it ok to write to the HR and the superintendent about how I feel?

My education is in the Tech field. The job requirement is an AA. While I have an Masters of Science.
Help is really appreciated.

January 28, 2014 at 2:00 pm
(405) bostickonehr says:

I lied about my age. My hair has not begun to gray yet and have very few wrinkles thanks to my genes. I am 47, but I said I graduated in 1998. No one checked, they probably thought I was like 39 and I now work for HR with this large company and now we check, we check very thoroughly on everything and see people lying all the time and get dropped permanently from our intake database. Our company has instructed by our general counsel very well about age discrimination and to avoid getting caught without saying avoidance steps to getting caught. Without all the BS, we do not want to hire older workers period. We “pride ourselves” on having and taking care of our (current) older workers, but when it comes to hiring new workers we rarely hire any one over 45. Those who are over 45, are either high ranking executives or close friends or relatives.

February 4, 2014 at 10:48 pm
(406) Jo says:

I’m sorry to agree with the majority here who are having a hard time, and not with those few who made it somehow. I’m in my early fifties, was laid off from a professional job about 6 years ago and have only had lousy part-time jobs ever since. In these jobs I observed the youth lust of our world (I don’t think it’s just the US). It seemed that the younger an employee, the more s/he can get away with and still get promoted, or simply get offered more hours, in the case of part-time work. Sometimes it looks like there are no rules for the very young ones. I’ve heard teen employees make fun of the speed of another older employee, even though the older employee works much harder and better than them. I am having a hard time making a living but I am also very worried about growing older in such a world. No, it’s not like this 100%, but I find it pretty scary.

February 6, 2014 at 10:03 pm
(407) B says:

No one understands what it’s like to lose a job until it happens. All of our comments are common and understood by us all. At 60 I get interviews and not just a first one, but never get the offer. I now understand why individuals give up and quit looking.

At my most recent interview I scanned the sign-in log for others interviewing for the same position, captured a few names and researched them. For a senior leadership position these candidates chosen were all under 30 and with almost no experience. And it was no surprise.

I wonder if anyone realizes that someday those candidates will also be our age. Will they then experience the same thing? Will their hiring managers??

February 14, 2014 at 9:13 am
(408) Steven says:

At 61 no-one wants you. If you put your date of birth on your CV – zilch !
Leave off your date of birth and only put 10 years of work experience, don’t date your qualifications and school record and you will get replies and interviews. Problem is when you arrive for your interview, shock horror when an old crusty walks in – you!
I’m over qualified for mundane jobs, too old for good jobs. Its about time those under 40 years started to appreciate the vast well of experience, knowledge and talent that is being ignored. Employ someone over 50 and you’ve got them for many years. They are reliable, punctual and resourceful.

February 14, 2014 at 9:21 am
(409) Alison Doyle, About.com Job Search Expert says:

@Terry There was no deadline for Congress to extend benefits. In fact, in 2012 they didn’t pass an extension until February 22. Even though EUC expired at the end of December any legislation to continue it would be new legislation. Senate Democrats say they will bring it up again after there recess. They return on February 24. That said, they need bipartisan legislation with enough Republican support to get anything passed.

February 22, 2014 at 2:13 am
(410) jerryann says:

I went on 2 different bank interviews, and they both said they preferred bilingual.

February 22, 2014 at 2:19 pm
(411) Abe. says:

This is my personal comment that it applys to me. For the past 6 Months I have been searching for a job but all I get is reviews, and I never get a 2nd call to let me know anything, so I am to the point that I know it has to do with age, and the lack of experience other than CNC work I did for 18 years for one company. It seems to me that no one believes that I can do any other type of work. I feel that all the doors are closed for me there is no exit. Frustration is boiling over and I believe there is discrimination when people over 40 can no longer get a job as easy anymore.

February 25, 2014 at 10:24 am
(412) gary g says:

I was an office manager (general broad base of skills) for 30 years for a contractor. I always kept up with new technology, and took ‘em from typewriters to the cloud! When I was 60, the contractor went out of business. Now I’ve built a great reputation at a temp agency. Once a workplace overcomes the shock of seeing an old guy in an entry-level position, they notice that someone with a life-time of skills can have an awesome bag of tricks, and I make them look good to their own superiors. Of course, the pay isn’t much, but I have to be working to be happy, and I’m working a lot. I’ve got a collection of cards the employees all signed when I left an assignment. The place I’m presently working at called me back from a year ago – it had to be me! See you at work!

March 3, 2014 at 4:55 pm
(413) Me says:

I’m 55 and cannot get an interview, welfare here I come. What a life.

March 6, 2014 at 10:51 am
(414) Fleur says:

I am 56 years of age am on a Pension in Australia have worked my whole life up until 2009 when I stopped working as a Carer to finish my studies at Uni. I finished those in 2010 my daughter was getting Married so decided to hold off the job hunt until after the wedding. 3 weeks prior to the wedding I ended up in a car accident I was injured and spent the next 2 years having physio then an operation. During this time the Hiring of individuals changed and now it is all online, they just about want to know what you are wearing, how old you are or what age bracket you fit into. I have had one interview since I started last year I was overwhelmed with 2 interviewers and 5 pages of questioning and I didn’t get a call back. I did pass the phone interview, I did pass the testing, but I failed the final interview. It is ridiculous what they are doing to hire today you feel like a failure before you get started. Am currently waiting after sending off another job application to another company and I had to answer 10 questions where I had to demonstrate how I did certain things, I’m thinking this is stupid but I did it and because the past positions I held people have left and they want your referees to have known you personally hey what the people I use to work for don’t work there anymore so what do I do. The past company has given me a written reference detailing how long I was with them but I really don’t think this is going to work .. trying to think positive and hopeful !!!

March 9, 2014 at 1:43 pm
(415) Diane says:

I appreciated reading all of the comments about being unemployed. If you’ve been sending out resumes for a long time and never landing a job, maybe it’s time to change the strategy. Maybe the solution is to become self-employed? I can relate to so many of the stories here, and have pretty much decided I won’t get hired.
Meanwhile, isn’t it a little ironic that most of us are Baby Boomers. Remember the slogan “Don’t trust anyone over 30″? Rings kind of hollow now, doesn’t it?

March 9, 2014 at 11:01 pm
(416) Ellen says:

Now we say “Don’t trust anyone under 60!”

March 11, 2014 at 3:43 am
(417) Stsephanie says:

I am a 57 year old female, born in the US, and now a fifteen year resident of Australia. I remarried two years ago to a man who has his own business, but we are in central rural Victoria (near Bendigo) and I am ” biting at the bit” to go back to work.

After two and a half years of “hell” with the vendor (“seller” for you non-Australians) of the property we purchased and a vexatious, vicious woman who lives on the next property adjacent to ours, HUGE legal costs to fight these two, I began to (successfully) represent myself without a solicitor.

When I entered a private women’s college in Boston, I was committed to the idea of going on to law school. Working for a distinguished law firm in Washington D.C. subsequent to graduation, I opted for a masters in business administration. My first career position was with Martin Marietta (now Lockheed Martin).

When I migrated to Australia in 1999, my exciting career continued until I met and married my now husband.

Whilst thankful for years of exciting and rewarding experience, I have now decided to embark on a three year law and justice degree program.

The interesting thing is this: I do not intend to work for an established firm; I intended to pursue a solo pursuit.

One suggestion I have for those who have established skill-sets and a wealth of experience to draw on, is to “group” with others with similar experiences and begin a firm that provides a service – it could be anything from coaching, empowerment, even seminars on a particular area of expertise.

So, I guess my bottom line message is that no matter what age you may be, please don’t let your age get the better of what you desire as whatever it may be, you deserve it.

If your confidence and determination prevail, your age will not be a barrier.

Good-luck.

Stephanie

March 14, 2014 at 6:36 am
(418) Julian says:

I am 58 very well qualified engineer with professional status and finding a new job after being made redundant is almost impossible.
On the rare occasions I get an interview you just know as soon as you enter the room the panel are thinking, ” here comes the pensioner ”
It is a national disgrace that ageism is the main consideration in job interviews. I do not care who wants to say otherwise but it is.
Over 50 = On the employment scrap heap.

March 17, 2014 at 10:16 pm
(419) Elaine_L says:

Age discrimination is a reality and it’s bad. Personally, I think employers are losing out on a lot of talent and maturity, but there’s nothing to be done about it.

We have to find ways to make our own livings without the job market.

I’m now giving up on external job-hunting for the second time.

March 18, 2014 at 7:35 pm
(420) Elaine_L says:

Well, I’m back in the game again.

My tactic this time is to seek part-time work that can be done from home. It sounds like a scam but there are actually legitimate employers that don’t want to pay for office space so they let people telecommute from anywhere in the country (USA) or the world.

I do have work experience that qualifies for some of the work I’ve seen, but I have to take two of my four college degrees off my resume and cut back on revealing my experience. It means less pay per hour but I’m ok with that.

I think this might work and I’m glad to have a plan.

March 19, 2014 at 11:21 am
(421) Sarah says:

I don’t have any solutions either,except that I am putting together a business plan to start my own business.It does seem to be the only solution-biggest problem being no one will lend you money if you don’t have a considerable amount of your own funds to put in-unfortunately we’ve gone through our savings waiting to get hired!

Another scenario I’m sure most of you can relate to-CELL PHONES! Ever feel like you need to surgically remove your younger associates from their phones?My last two positions,I reported to a much younger person,in both places when I approached my supervisor about our employees(I was the assistant manager)about backing me up in insisting the employees put their phones away and WORK more often than not, my boss was too busy on(pick one)Facebook,playing games,talking to everyone in his phonebook,checking out porn sites…..
Yep,this is why we older workers don’t fit in-we come to work and expect to work-and expect everyone else to have the same ethic

March 19, 2014 at 9:44 pm
(422) Sharon M says:

Wow I just stumbled up on this article, I am 51 yrs old and was laid off in June of last year. I have applied for hundreds of jobs and no calls yet. I have over 25 yrs experience and and currently in grad school. I never thought it would be this hard to get another job. My unemployment has also ended. I am single and live alone this is very scary but I put my faith in God. Im going to go back and read the tips on resume, I welcome any kind of helpful hints.

March 24, 2014 at 4:54 am
(423) Elaine_L says:

More heartbreak in the game.

It’s not just age discrimination going on, though. I think there’s also gender discrimination happening. I have four college degrees (high-tech) and over 25 years of experience, too. Two of my degrees are Master’s degrees.

It’s almost impossible to get an interview these days.

I think perhaps I should make it so that my gender isn’t obvious when I’m applying by using my initials instead of my name and removing three of my degrees from my resume (along with most of my experience).

Or not.

I don’t know anymore.

March 24, 2014 at 5:40 pm
(424) Elaine_L says:

Ok, I’m done (again). I applied for a job at a small all-male high-tech company where I had more high-tech education than all of the big people put together and they said I wasn’t qualified for the job.

I have to go back to the idea of creating my own business.

March 25, 2014 at 7:44 pm
(425) Maggie Back says:

Yes there is age discrimination. There is nothing one can do. It cannot be proven since there are so many reasons why an employer mays select a candidate from hundreds of applicants!!!
Do not give up. I haven’t.
I have been trying for two years to find employment. I have over 25 years of office administration and a bachelor’s degree from University of Miami. Today for the first time in two years I went on a person to person interview for a part time position!. So far of about 1000 jobs I have applied for, only 2 called me for phone interviews ( 1 of which I was told i was not selected) and waiting to hear from the other)and one person interview today.
My advice is do not despair and keep applying, and in the meantime, enjoy every day of your lives. Do something each day that gives you pleasure and be happy for the things you do have.
With Obama care, the cost of insurance should not be a problem in hiring older folks. I do think that most companies want “young blood” young workers that are ambitious, have a lot of energy and bring new ideas to the table…..and are gullible enough to sacrifice and be abused with the hopes of getting ahead
We are considered probably difficult employees to be pushed around and fooled. ..we are too wise for the employers and a threat to our younger counterparts once we prove ourselves in the work environment. that is my take on the subject. .

March 25, 2014 at 8:03 pm
(426) Maggie Back says:

Listen everyone, age discrimination is very difficult to prove. For example 200 applicants for one position, one has to be selected and the other 199 are not, of those 199 there may be all the old folks that applied but also many young applicants which also make up the 199 Dear John’s. How is one to prove we were discriminated? How about our younger counterparts that also applied for the same job and were turned down?. Employers can hide the age discrimination because of the enormous amounts of applicants for every position that becomes available.
How can you explain to the State’s Senator (as one person recommended in this comment site) that you were discriminated based on your age when Employer can show there are possibly a great amount of young applicants that were also turned down? Not easy folks. Unfortunately. Again, keep trying, dont give up.
In the meantime stop and smell the flowers along the way. Life is short. I just lost my brother unexpectedly at age 62. Every day is a gift. Enjoy each day and make yourselves and others smile at least once a day. GOOD LUCK and GOOD NIGHT!!!!! :)

March 31, 2014 at 5:04 am
(427) Betty Boop says:

I am older too and at the point of thinking outside the box.
Deleting my degrees off my CV doesn’t help & wasting $ printing out and handing out resumes also is losing game in today’s economy. Ladies and gentlemen, I think we ‘oldies’ need to start a forum somewhere to support one another in tactics to win jobs. ie. spells for jobs, prayers
that work, fav patron saint favors (ha), and attracting what we need via law of attraction and mantras. I am not kidding about this. It could be called how to manipulate on the etheric levels because the ‘usual’ doesn’t work past a point. (And I am not talking about anything dark, just somehow learning how to torque situations safely in ones’ favor).

April 4, 2014 at 10:33 pm
(428) Elaine_L says:

To Betty Boop: Yeah, it’s time to think outside the box.

I put my four college degrees back on my resume because I found an outsourcing company doing work in my exact field and paying low but looking to hire exactly where I live. I know someone who worked for them remotely for a few months so I knew it was a real place with real jobs.

I’ve sent them my resume four times without a peep back from them.

I’m now thinking of forming a start-up company. It’s all the rage these days. I’ve got an idea for a project that could use funding to get it off the ground. Even if it fails, a small nest egg to get it started would get me through the next year. (I’m not seriously thinking that investors would want older people any more than employers do, but it’s something to think about when I’m feeling down.)

It’s just blowing my mind that my two Master’s degrees suddenly aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on. They say to get more education to help (or more skills) but, like you, I’m deleting degrees, skills and experience off my resume these days to make myself more marketable.

I can’t believe this is happening.

April 6, 2014 at 2:16 am
(429) Elaine_L says:

My new strategy: I am lobbying the outsourcing company that pays low but has work in my field near where I live. They haven’t responded to my five resume submissions yet.

ALSO – I have an idea for a project that might make money (it’s an iPad Application and I am a certified Apple Developer) but it will take time to build it.

So I am lobbying to this one company for a minimum wage job that will keep me alive while I build my iPad App.

The President of the company has some of the same college degrees that I have (except that I have more of them) and he likes the same things that I’ve done in my career.

He’s been more of a CEO-type while I’ve been more of a truly technical person, but he’s close to MY AGE!! He’s only four years younger.

He’s also a religious person.

So I’m going to hit him up on all counts so that I can get some kind of minimum wage job that keeps me afloat while I work on my iPad Application.

I’m also writing a book – a murder mystery – that I will publish on Amazon as a Kindle eBook. It’s one of my skills to program books into Kindle books and I’ve done it for other people already. The books I’ve programmed are on sale right now on Amazon.com (and selling nicely, which is good for the authors). I got paid a set amount for my work and I ran out of authors. It’s not easy to find authors and they don’t like to pay much, so I’ve decided that I need to become the author myself. I won an award for Creative Writing in my first college degree so I have fiction writing experience.

This is my game plan.

April 7, 2014 at 10:31 am
(430) Elaine_L says:

My apologies for sounding so grumpy all the time.

I’m still sure that I’ll find some sort of work to keep me going and I do have things to keep me busy. It’s going to be okay.

April 9, 2014 at 7:51 am
(431) Cheryl says:

Age has always been a issue with getting jobs for years. I am over 40 yrs old. I have been doing the low paying jobs all my life. I have decided to go back to College and at least learn something new.
One thing they can’t take away from you is your education. Lets face it, you can’t do anything about getting older. But you can get smarter. Which then you become equal with the younger people.

April 10, 2014 at 1:01 pm
(432) Melinda says:

I have to agree with the people here, I have over 15 years of retail experience and 20 in manufacturing. I have been a retail supervisor and manager.
I can get interviews and I know at these interviews I do extremely well, perfect interviews, but, it’s always the younger ones who get the job. My last interview, I had to pass a 20 minute telephone interview and then attend a 2 hour assessment, including a dragons den type selling exercise. After my pitch the managers said wow, you covered everything, really impressed. I attended with my competitors for the job of 8 hours front of store at B&Q, who were still at college…and you guessed it..one of them got the job :-/

April 10, 2014 at 8:31 pm
(433) Robin says:

To 422 Sharon and all the others. My thoughts and prayers are with you. I lost my job October 2014 and was discriminated against as you all have been. I hated the morning because it was another day of depression, anger, sadness, and pure human misery. At 51 I am too old to work but if I wanted to run for President of the U.S. my age wouldn’t matter. It’s criminal what these companies get away with. Even those with religions affiliations. This afternoon I received an informal offer from a government entity. It’s at about $13,000 less a year than I was making, but if nothing else pans out before my start date I will gladly accept. I dyed and cut my hair, and only went back ten years on my application. Even when the interviewer asked how long I’ve been working in my field I kept it at ten years. Before my interview I researched the department like crazy.Which I am glad I did because some of the questions asked I was able to answer because of my research. The last thing, and in my opinion the most important thing, pray. Put it in God’s hands and trust. Good luck.

April 11, 2014 at 11:32 am
(434) Elaine_L says:

To Robin: Congrats on the job!!

Best wishes!

April 14, 2014 at 6:45 pm
(435) Outta work says:

Robin,
Did God say it was OK to lie about your experience? Downplaying is still misleading–aka lying. If I could subtract ten years off my graduation date, one or two of my degrees and some experience, I’d have a job by now, too. I choose integrity.
You sound perfect for government work.
Congratulations.

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